1947 Ford 1.5ton w/ a 6BT and Roadranger 10 speed

[47Ford - 1.5Ton]

Well guys, I figured it was time to start a new build thread so to no avail...... here I am.

The 1947 Ford 1.5 ton 'Heavy' DRW with a 6BT, Roadranger RTO-6610 10-speed transmission, air suspension in all 4 corners, hydro-boosted disc brakes in all four corners, parallel 4-link system out back and independent up front...... Now that the search terms are out of the way.... back to the pictures...

But FIRST If your reading this and looking for the 1947 when it was running a 4BT and ZF-S542 Ford 5 speed transmission.... you can still find it here.

1947 Ford 1.5 ton with a 4BT and Ford ZF S542 transmission


And.... as always........... comments and questions welcome!

~M

[47Ford - 1.5Ton]

Well guys, got the new HE341 today to replace the dusted up wH1C

AND WOW TALK ABOUT PERFECT FIT!

Notta thing was needed and even the wastegate head cleared the block!

Also, all the piping I grabbed from an F600 while junk-diving plugs right in (See intake plumbing)

Note: Deals are to be had on these... I got the HE341 and the Downpipe, shipped, for $250.... so they still exist HE341 has 78k miles on it....

~M

New HE341 installed:


THE BLADES LOOK AMAZING (Note Silencer ring will come out)


Very Happy with the back end....


All the wastegate head clearence in the world with the Gen 3 turbo.....


4 inch exhaust baby!


Downpipe that also came with the turbo

And a new clamp to boot


Oil Fitting plugged right in!


Oil Drain Plugged right in! (This was off the wH1C)


The big 90* boots I had off of a Ford F600


B-E-A-Utiful


~M

[47Ford - 1.5Ton]

Beginning stages of tearing down and into the Eaton Fuller Raodranger RT6610 and making it become an RTO 6610....

[chevy_cummins]

Subscribed to the new thread!

[lawnboy]

new turbo looks good.

[Grigg]

Beginning stages of tearing down and into the Eaton Fuller Roadranger RT6610 and making it become an RTO 6610....

That's not going to work terribly well, nor will it be good for the yoke.

Read the service manual and it'll tell you to slip it into two gears at once, and even then you'll need to strap the whole thing to something to break that nut loose.
alternatively but perhaps not ideal; I've had good luck with a healthy impact gun for removal (leave in neutral).
Takes a 3/4" drive torque wrench to reinstall though.

Grigg

[47Ford - 1.5Ton]

Yea I'm used the sliding 2 oppoising clutches to lock the transmission.... but I can't 'strap it down' to anything to prevent it from rolling.... so this is how I do it by counteracting the forces...

And as far as the yoke goes..... im okay its WAY to big for me to be using (I'll be going to a 1610 or 1710 instead of this mammoth beast....)

[47Ford - 1.5Ton]

Removing the auxiliary transmission box from the main.....

(Note: Grigg you will be happy with the manual sitting right there......on the right page... step by step :p ) JK JK its a must when your dealing with something you've never done before and its expensive to screw up.


She slid nicely off...


Back of the main box..




Front of the Auxiliary Box.... everything looks good....


Range Sychro Looks good.....




~M

[nexxussian]

Subscribed to the new thread.

[1939dodge]

Hey,
looking good, subscribing to new thread. I lost my house to a fire last weekend so you may beat me afterall

[nexxussian]

Sorry to hear that 1939dodge.

Hope you and any family made it out all right.

[K-TRON]

The inside of your transmission looks awesome. It is just mesmerizing how all of those gears work together.

Please share how you are converting the transmission into an overdrive

What kind of mods do you need to make to get this bigger engine in?

Good luck,

Chris

[47Ford - 1.5Ton]

K Tron Fuller makes an overdrive kit........

Mods unknown.... probably too many......

For reference, got my SAE#2 flywheel housing in today, cleaned up and painted.



Flywheel Hall Effect Eye already installed.... but will use a new one...

For Reference:

SAE#2 vs. SAE#3 (#2 in front, #3 in rear)

All Done

[47Ford - 1.5Ton]

Goodies.......

Big... and by big I mean BIG brand new flywheel (Cheap too!).... I'm sure I can find a big enough clutch now! (muahahahaha)





COBRAHEAD!!!!! Off of a 8.3L Cummins 6CT..... (had for under a hundo too......truck salvage yards rock)





I still have to make a 3/4" double V band from 4-3/8" to 4" adapter... but that is just some hot rolled steel at work and some lathe time.....

Badda Bing!

~M

[vandever metalworx]

Nice work lookin good

[BobS]

Unless I missed it; it would be nice to list the flywheel and elbow part numbers along with all the SAE numbers etc for future references.

[Grigg]

So you need a larger cobra head?
Do they make one in the size you need to start with? If so I'd spend the time looking for one and trade or sell the smaller one you have if it helps get what you need to start with.

Grigg

[47Ford - 1.5Ton]

So you need a larger cobra head?
Do they make one in the size you need to start with? If so I'd spend the time looking for one and trade or sell the smaller one you have if it helps get what you need to start with.

Grigg

Cobrahead is off of an 8.3L cummins 6CT and no they don't make cobraheads with 4-3/8" V-bands to fit the HE341... only 4" to fit the HX40....

Doesn't bother me as it'll cost me $0.50 to get a hot rolled adapter that is smooth bored and ported for nice laminar flow profile..... and the 4" cobra is perfect in regards to fit... I can't find (nor does anything exist) better then what I got now... I'd have to make my own cast... as a homeade cobrahead will not flow as good as teh one I got now....

I'm VERY happy with it....

~M

[vandever metalworx]

Unless I missed it; it would be nice to list the flywheel and elbow part numbers along with all the SAE numbers etc for future references.

good idea
I had actually at one time thought of putting a Eaton Fuller 6spd in my
2000 Dodge when I was trying to find parts for my NV5600
unless I find a massive deal on another 5600 when mine brakes
thats probably what I'll do
would really like to know the part# for the bell housing and fly wheel Please.
are their different bell housings for Fuller trannys or are they universal
haven't dug into it that far

[47Ford - 1.5Ton]

Cobrahead Exhaust Head
Cummins Part Number:
Elbow # 3921534 (OLD)
Elbow # 3927862 (NEW)

Flywheel: 5.9 Cummins, SAE#2 14" X 7" bore, 8 mount holes, 173 teeth
3921263

Flywheel Housing: SAE #2
3921296

Starter: 12V Clockwise 10 Tooth Off Set Gear
3916854

[1939dodge]

Yeah everyone got out safe but living in a hotel untill mid Feb 2011

I really like your exhaust headder!! Where did you get that? Know of another I could buy off you?? I will be using the HX35W, do you think that will work with that headder.

You should go with twin turbos, you have the skills to pull it off and that would be great.

Keep up the good work!

[metal_miner]

Cobrahead is off of an 8.3L cummins 6CT and no they don't make cobraheads with 4-3/8" V-bands to fit the HE341... only 4" to fit the HX40....

Doesn't bother me as it'll cost me $0.50 to get a hot rolled adapter that is smooth bored and ported for nice laminar flow profile..... and the 4" cobra is perfect in regards to fit... I can't find (nor does anything exist) better then what I got now... I'd have to make my own cast... as a homeade cobrahead will not flow as good as teh one I got now....

I'm VERY happy with it....

~M

I can't post a web link, but there are HE341 to HX40 adapters already available if you wanted to save some work +/- $45 or so.

[47Ford - 1.5Ton]

As always... an update


Motor mounts front and rear complete..... front is rubber bushing mounted, rear is liquid lord mounted......

Also panhard bar mount redone and complete with a new joint vs. the heim joint.......

Enjoy









Much better panhard bar angle now at ride hieght. (note this one shown at slam.... the bar use to sit level at slam...)

[1939dodge]

Looking GOOD, love the quality of your welds and parts!

[47Ford - 1.5Ton]

Just got it sitting finally on its own legs.....

Enjoy..... and as always....comments welcome!

~M













I think I will end up putting a spacer pad underneath the rear flywheel housing mounts to lift up the rear end a .250 - .375" to both take a few degrees out of the drive angle as well as gain a little bit more clearance to allow the Cummins to shimmy n' shake at shutdown without having any interference issues......

[midniteplowboyy]

Looking great.

[turbogrin]

Your oil pan problem was similar to mine when I tried putting a P Pump engine from a F700 to install in a 93 w350 dodge 4x4! Easy replacement for a first gen engine? Right! WRONG!!! The Oil Pan is about an INCH deeper in the Trucks and Buses from the sump forward than the dodge cummins engines! I starred at it for a while and kept wondering why the oil pan kept hitting the frame crossmember and wouldnt sit on the mounts.

Well I had to pull the engine and swap pans with the first gen engine!

Im looking forward to the finished driving Video, and I know you are too!


Endeavor to Persevere

Larry

[Grigg]

Im a little concerned about the rear mounts
First is the brackets seem to reach way out there yet your gusset is very short. I know it's heavy plate, but it's a heavy engine too....
Second concern is the capacity of those mounts. I can imagine they were designed for a narrow weight range and given the location in the original application you now probably have double the original weight on them, if not more.

By the time you hang the transmission on there a good 75-80% of the entire weight will be on those rear mounts.

Can you go back to the mounts and brackets that came with the new engine and fab some frame mounted brackets to accept them. Possibly picking up both top and bottom flanges of the frame?

Grigg

[2Dodges]

Just got it sitting finally on its own legs.....

Enjoy..... and as always....comments welcome!

~M













I think I will end up putting a spacer pad underneath the rear flywheel housing mounts to lift up the rear end a .250 - .375" to both take a few degrees out of the drive angle as well as gain a little bit more clearance to allow the Cummins to shimmy n' shake at shutdown without having any interference issues......

Looks real good !!

[47Ford - 1.5Ton]

Im a little concerned about the rear mounts
First is the brackets seem to reach way out there yet your gusset is very short. I know it's heavy plate, but it's a heavy engine too....
Second concern is the capacity of those mounts. I can imagine they were designed for a narrow weight range and given the location in the original application you now probably have double the original weight on them, if not more.

By the time you hang the transmission on there a good 75-80% of the entire weight will be on those rear mounts.

Can you go back to the mounts and brackets that came with the new engine and fab some frame mounted brackets to accept them. Possibly picking up both top and bottom flanges of the frame?

Grigg

Should I be concerend with the liquid lord mounts themselves?

I will be having longer gussets put on the brackets....

I will also be gusseting directly underneath the liquid lord mount and then boxing the frame +/- 6" each way on the frame where the liquid lord mount meets the frame