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    For a first thread in this wonderful new section how about an interesting Detroit question:

    How many 12V53 engines were made, and in what year or years were they made?

    A 12V53 is a 53 series (53 cubic inches per cylinder) Detroit, a V12 at that, they had 4 cylinder heads same as a 3-53 head, and used two 6V53 based blocks directly bolted together, two blowers. I think one long crank shaft and a pair of long camshafts, but not sure on that?

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    Back in the Diesel-Central days there was a gentleman named BuckW who was quite knowledgeable when it came to Detroit Diesel stuff. I had corresponded with him several times on some question about the Detroit and Cummins engines and was always there ready to help. I even think that I have seen his sig on the 4bt site once or twice before!
    I know that he is out there waiting to chime in! come on Buck it will be good to hear form you again

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbogrin View Post
    Back in the Diesel-Central days there was a gentleman named BuckW...
    Yes, Larry, Buck is still around. He's a personal friend of mine. He was here awhile back but I don't know if he's been to this site recently. He's a regular at the Yahoo group DetroitDiesel, performing moderator duties there.

    On the 12v53, Buck has pictures of one so they do exist. I really wonder about the gear train though as the 8v53 had significant issues. The 12 would just be that much worse.

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    Here are the two engines Buck has a picture of, and has seen in person:
    http://www.surplusman.com/Detail.php?itemid=92
    They are the only two I know of.

    My Detroit literature and service manuals make almost no mention of them, not in the serial number charts, not in the regular manuals.. All I have is the torque spec for the crank bolt on a 12V53, it's a lot more than an inline or smaller V53.

    So I don't know the answer to how many and when, hoping someone will enlighten us.

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    hi grigg ken, turbogrin,,appaareantly i joinedd here some time agao and jusgt forgot,,, these appear to be the same engines, kpretty sure they are, actually it appears to be the photos i took maybe not,,, dont know how surplus man acqqquired them,,,, howerver,,,,,,, accordinag to the lady ??Katherine sometnhling?? at detroiat corporatte just after the q acquisitiaon b y daimler benz,,, said that there were 15 documented numbered 12-53, most going to marine service as gensets,,,, two to direct coiple reefer service marine and best i rmember 4 went to some captive trucking outfit,pacific northwest as teswtbed engines for fleet truck service, these two built to special navy contract were un numbered, undocumented for special reseaarch hydrofoil fast crafft, accumulaed only hundreds or small thousand hours then dismantledd and engines sold to old man in ventura cal.,, they are made mostlyyy from off he shelf parts,, special blocks, special cranks,, reswt standard stufff,,,, an A and B blockk and A qand B crank, the rest standard stuff,, essentila a left and a right hand 6v53sengine coupled fllywheell end to end with special machinedblocks so that each bloock drives its camshafts,, there are two geartrians, each end haas it own geardrive as u can see froam the pics,,, oh i forgot there were tw o moor 12-53 built by the engineers undocumented from engineering spares with off the shaelf engineering teswt articles, these two from the pics were buillt outside the known 15(17) sometime in the mid, late70s early 80s buck

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    I'm a HD tech for the largest Detroit dealer here in Western Canada. we've got a couple 20-30 year veterans I can hit up for info, and all the dealer manuals you can get.

    I'll look into it some for you. I'm interested myself.


    .........heres a 16v149 we have wasting away in the shop


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    How about a 16V92 in an over the road tractor. This is the owners (Werner) truck...


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    Dang, lookit the schnoz on that one.

    What did he wind up with for a transmission?
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    Sorry I don't remember now, I've had these shots for quite a few years. I'll see if I can find the spec's again.

    Found them, it has an Eaton 18 speed, Eaton 3.90 Diff in a Freightliner Classic XL.
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    Wow, a 16V149, that thing is huge.
    I understand the detroit naming scheme, but on I have never seen a 149 before. Is that still following the same scheme, with 149cubic inches per cylinder.
    If so, than wow that is one monster motor. It must make 1000hp just judging from its size

    Also nice job on that 16 cylinder truck, thats the biggest I have ever seen in a onroad rig

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    the 16v149 used to be rated @ 100 hp per cylinder. when it was introduced with mechanical governor. when DDEC electronic controls were added they went up to a standard oilfield rating @ 2250 hp. I have some pics of fully dressed operational 149s on oilfield frac pumps. they often use an Allison 9000 in this application behind it.

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    16v149 weigh in at 14,000lbs and the 12v are about 12,000.






    heres a Detroit 12v4000 (aka MTU) I did a fire ring update on. 4 liter displacement per cylinder. 4 stroke.


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    theres alway the 15" diameter piston I salvaged from a med duty ship

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckwill View Post
    ...each bloock drives its camshafts,, there are two geartrians, each end haas it own geardrive as u can see froam the pics,,, ...
    Guess that takes care of any gear train concerns...

    Good to have you around, Buck.

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    not being a 2 stroke guy myself. I picked some brains today. I guess since the 12v53 never made it into a production run theres not really any data backing in the manuals. all of them made in Brazil I hear.

    He did tell me theres 24v71's in existence too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 153624 View Post
    He did tell me theres 24v71's in existence too.
    http://www.surplusman.com/Detail.php?itemid=2068
    http://www.surplusman.com/Detail.php?itemid=2069

    They too are somewhat rare probably not quite as rare as a 12V53 though.

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    I came across this site today, while looking up CAT engine info.
    It has a lot of original PDF's of pretty much the entire Detroit Diesel two stroke line of engines

    http://www.goldcoastpower.com/brochures.cfm

    It could be pretty helpful if youre looking for dimensions and data on these motors

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    Quote Originally Posted by 153624 View Post
    I guess since the 12v53 never made it into a production run theres not really any data backing in the manuals. all of them made in Brazil I hear.
    i don't believe these engines were made in brazil... i know that 3-53, 4-53 and 6v53 were made in brazil, most of them without turbo, but with the same internal layout of an american #-53t...

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    my data has the 12v53 being produced 1965-1968.

    I also work on Detroits. Offshore tho. 16v149 na
    In our tug they are rated at 900hp each.
    They are nice lil engines. Small enough to be 'disposable' large enough to last 30,000hours at full power.
    Aside from oil/fuel/air filters the only real work we do on them is injector, waterpump, and heads/liners/powerpacks. After doing it once or twice, a head can be swapped out in an hour.
    Only complaint about the 149 series engine is the inability to run them without the valve covers on..... or at least it gets real messy real fast.
    Wish we had a spare valve cover to cut up so we could short out injectors and play with the rack while it's running.

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    found a 24v71 was on a cruise ship of somesort.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 153624 View Post
    found a 24v71 was on a cruise ship of somesort.

    how many hp's?

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    I hate bringing up old threads, I was searching for cylinder heads, and I found a thread which mentions the 12V53.
    http://www.hcvc.com.au/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1236651707/15

    Member "GM Diesel" says that it is rated for 412hp at 2800rpm

    "The largest 53 series built was the 12V-53. This was not two V6s joined together as people think as far as I know ?. It had its own block and crank. Cyl heads were the same as 3-53 and 6V-53 heads. 412 hp @ 2800.and what a noise they make. There was two on Barrow island. One is in Melbourne somewhere and the other who knows ?"

    Maybe these were two of those (15/17) 12v53's Buck was talking about in post #5,..., but then again Barrow Island and Melbourne are in Australia

    Anyone on the HCVC? we should invite him over to our little Detroit section

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