By, "hottest rigs", you mean getting your doors blown off by any one of the current diesel offerings produced by any one of the big three in bone stock form, as they are all producing over two and a half times your power output directly off of the lot. Are bone stock trucks the "hottest rigs" these days?
Answer: By hottest rigs I speak of vehicles with 4 wheels of any configuration. Unfortunately you will apparently permanently fail to see that there's far more to it than horse-power. My suspension is quite special, my brakes are incredible, my stock engine runs properly and my gears are near excellent for the setup, with the exception of the stretch between 3-4 with NV4500. It also refers, logically, to who else is driving what on these roads when I am. As for 'current diesel offerings' I stomped the tire treads off a very new Cummins Dodge a few days ago and the only way he could pass was when I backed off, plain and simple. Maybe it's because I know how to drive my rig. No, he wasn't on my bumper until I finally gave the road, but had gradually backed off long before when he couldn't manage the pace, maybe scaring himself.
"So in a thread where a man is plainly asking if he should have his pump modified for more power while it's at the injection shop, you say no, the 4BT has Plenty of power in stock form..........you just plan to add nearly half again what it has now in the future.......but you tell him to leave it alone now while it would be a total non-issue While it is at the injection shop to add this power saving him the time, money and hassle of doing it down the road. You're a saint."
Answer: thank you, it's nice to be a saint! It's not that complicated really. The truck has great performance right now, bone stock, and I love it. However I have been into racing since approximately 1961, international Grand Prix, SCCA, sanctioned and unsanctioned drag racing, world's record holding boats, motorcycles, you name it. Fast is in my blood. If I had a brand new Ferrari I'd have the hood up in a week, twisting screws a little bit more. Stock is GREAT! Tweaked is faster. I personally like faster. In my opinion the stock 4BT offers great power and performance for most uses.
"You have no conception of how a vehicle should drive..."
Answer: because you do not know me, have never met me, have no knowledge of my experience and no idea of my past exeprience or what I do now, your comment is a sterling example of having no idea what you are talking about.
"... you have taken away from this thread by saying that he should leave it alone, because it's the greatest thing since sliced bread bone stock and then you have completely invalidated yourself by actually stating that you plan to add nearly half again as much power to this engine in the future. That sure doesn't sound like something that just has all the power you ever wanted."
Answer: I have not taken away from this thread as I posted relevant to the topic, rather than to tell everybody in a Cummins 4BT thread how marvelous and amazing my Ford Powewrstroke is. Your imagination says that I said it had all the power that I ever wanted. What I said is exactly what I said: great power, and I now want more. Also, I already have the parts to do the job, because I was misinformed by many like you, causing me to purchase go-fast stuff before I had even driven the truck in stock form. If I hadn't pre-purchased I doubt I'd ever tweak it up much.
"You are not capable of understanding how an engine's output relates to the truck's performance. If you can't understand it after the explicit example above (lengthy in hopes of making it so crystal clear the even a retard could understand it) then you have no hope of ever realizing that power output is paramount, and why the applied torque of the vehicle is solely based on that power, not the torque produced at the flywheel, ahead of all the gearing."
Answer: Hahaha, you gotta be kidding! I've been buildng race engines since 1960-61, and I've driven most of the vehicles I built for. The problem is that I don't agree with you and for some reason that is beyond your tolerance levels. Thing is, that isn't my problem. I thoroughly understand the simple relationshps involved here, as well as the more complex in some cases. I ain't no genius but I get by.
"Basically, by completely whiffing the point, staggering around pissing on it and then falling down in your own piss and passing out on the point here you have absolutely no business pretending to tell anyone else anything at the systems level on vehicle design."
Answer: I've often heard it said that a person with nothing of real value to say, when faced with a personally frustrating situation, will then turn to insults or shouting louder to make their point. Ho-hummm.....accomplishes nothing. It's not even enough to make me dislike you as a person. However I have been actively involved in vehicle and propulsion sytem design for approximately 40 years, with world's and national records to reflect my endeavors.
"You can completely re-validate yourself here if you can only tell me why you couldn't simply run an 18hp Kohler engine with a 10:1 planetary reduction box attached directly to the shaft on the engine, running that into your transmission. The Kohler makes 30ft/lbs of torque over a VERY wide rpm range, much wider than the 4BT. And with a 10:1 reduction box, it would have an output torque of 300ft/lbs.....also more than your 4BT."
"I want you to honestly tell me why that would, or would not work in place of your 4BT that has less torque than that, over a narrower rpm range."
Answer: You're digging your own hole if you even have to propose such a ridiculous comparison. Law of diminishing returns, 1st & 2nd Laws of Thermodynamics.
"Can you do that, or are you just above all of this and don't have the time to waste on it? Is this below you to actually think about?"
Answer: No, but it's pushing it. I value time, and time to distance :~ )
"I can't believe you say I have no contribution here. It is some of the ONLY contribution here. Any joe-blow can go along with the crowd, grunt, hold his nuts and talk about how torque is amazing. I took the time to actually figure this stuff out a long time ago, and have the sac to explain it time and time again in the face of comments like yours."
Answer: Okay, don't believe it, your choice. However this last post of yours simply makes my point, first made in the sentence that pushed all your buttons. Too bad you didn't pick up on what Bob S explained in such a wonderful way, but apparently it somehow exscaped you.
In the main my point now is that the thread is a request from a man for information related to 4BT performance, not about your Ford Powerstroke performance. I would suggest though, when you finally build your 4BT, try it out completlely stock before you turn it up, you might like it.
Check yourself.
