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Nope absolute garbage. That's why there are none in existence today and you've never heard of them.
not true, they're very good motors and there are heaps in use. What are you basing that on? It's true at 210hp in a truck that's too big for a 6L motor they are overstressed and develop problems but at 160hp they are extremely reliable and long lasting.

They're still in use all over this country in many many trucks working for a living, tractors, plant, mining equipment etc. in very harsh conditions. In fact that's the only negative comment I've ever heard about them. Yes they're heavy but that's why they last.

There's also the 1004 - 4 cyl version. These perkins are much better than small Cats (wich are often not even Cat anyway). Cat make fantastic big engines but IMO none of their smaller ones are up to much
 
I think question one is do you have unlimited funds to take on a cat swap as cat diesel parts are expensive. If you have a huge deep wallet go ahead and swap in a huge overweight under powered expensive engine.
 
not true, they're very good motors and there are heaps in use. What are you basing that on? It's true at 210hp in a truck that's too big for a 6L motor they are overstressed and develop problems but at 160hp they are extremely reliable and long lasting.

They're still in use all over this country in many many trucks working for a living, tractors, plant, mining equipment etc. in very harsh conditions. In fact that's the only negative comment I've ever heard about them. Yes they're heavy but that's why they last.

There's also the 1004 - 4 cyl version. These perkins are much better than small Cats (wich are often not even Cat anyway). Cat make fantastic big engines but IMO none of their smaller ones are up to much
Dang! I wuz wrong?;)
 
Andrew,

If you read what I put. Now cat own perkins, all the baby cats are made by perkins. So even if you put a baby cat under the hood, it's a perkins.

If you go down the road of a cat, your heading into a whole world of hurt of a heavy arkward expensive engine. I know damutt is building a vehicle with a cat under the hood and he run into issues with his engine.

It's like another member said, they build a heavy slow engine to do the same work as a lighter 6bt.

I was heading down the road of putting a 6b in my 48 chevy truck because i could get one easily and easy cheapish parts. But i managed to pick up a heavy 6v53 detroit. If i was going to drive the truck every day, i would more than likely stick with the cummins. But because it's not, I am going with the detroits, but 99% of the parts I already have will bolt to my detroit.

I am NOT saying " do not put a cat in your vehicle" as it's your vehicle
. All I am saying is sit down and have a think about what you REALLY want. I bet for the price you pay for a good guaranteed cat engine, you could buy a junka dodge complete with a 6bt with all HD drivetrain. I know i purchased my daf 45 truck complete with the 6b engine for ÂŁ600 ($960) I know I couldn't buy the same rear axle of the daf 45 for less than ÂŁ300 for just the case and brakes.
 
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Yea I understand.. But if I'm doin a diesel swap I want it to be somethin different.. Any body can do the ole cummins swap, but nobody has a cat under there hood around here.. And I will never do a Detroit.. I can't stand detroits.. Just my opinion. It's a shame that the small cats are Perkins now tho.. If I were buying a cat I would want it to be a CAT
 
I have heard it is best to stay away from heui injection.

And I will never do a Detroit.. I can't stand detroits.. Just my opinion. It's a shame that the small cats are Perkins now tho.. If I were buying a cat I would want it to be a CAT
Umm, OK. I think now, most of us have the picture figured out.

Good Luck with your CAT swap. Please start a BUILD thread when you get an engine and vehicle and start putting it all together.
 
you could always prove you're not... I asked what you were basing the very extreme and absolute comment on
WedgeT, I was being sarcastic to the extreme. The OP obviously didn't even bother to research this engine (or it seems many of the others suggested) so far as just doing a search. I saw NO reason to just hand out the info regarding my opinion or the easily obtainable facts on the engine. By the way I own a 200hp version and use it regularly in my boat! I LOVE it and it burns a hair under 2 gph the way I run it most of the time.
If I were building a large truck I'd drop one in in a heartbeat if I found one cheap and with the proper pieces. The key word in that sentence though was "LARGE". I think is one of the most efficient and robust engines you could find at this HP level, and if you saw the size of the turbo on it you would immediately say there is no way it could support 200HP! The key to this engine is WHERE it makes its power---*hint* for those who are unfamiliar with them, Massey Ferguson used them.
 
What about the little 6 cylinder engine in the D5s? I know it is not a cat made engine, but they seem...alright. Glowplugs and indirect injection. Seemed more like a jap engine. That may be the 6 cylinder perkins that was mentioned earlier.
 
Yea I understand.. But if I'm doin a diesel swap I want it to be somethin different.. Any body can do the ole cummins swap, but nobody has a cat under there hood around here.. And I will never do a Detroit.. I can't stand detroits.. Just my opinion. It's a shame that the small cats are Perkins now tho.. If I were buying a cat I would want it to be a CAT
Every stop to wonder why nobody has a Cat swap? Other than the fact that the only Cat you can get is really a perkins, and they are few to none when you look for one.
 
Yea I understand.. But if I'm doin a diesel swap I want it to be somethin different.. Any body can do the ole cummins swap, but nobody has a cat under there hood around here.. And I will never do a Detroit.. I can't stand detroits.. Just my opinion. It's a shame that the small cats are Perkins now tho.. If I were buying a cat I would want it to be a CAT
You hit the nail on the head. You want a diesel and you want something different. There lies the problem.

Once you have your engine and ready to install, we will offer all the help we can.
 
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I don't know why everyone's gettin fussy about it I just asked or some info not negative feedback.. There's people who have done it I've seen it on the internet.. But if I did it I wouldn't be Rollin arohnd in a cummins or powerjoke like every other kid around.. People would look and say that's different. If I do end up doing the swap I will take pics and create a thread on it
 
I don't know why everyone's gettin fussy about it
It has to do with the attitude you are putting out there. Kind of like a person who says I wouldn't own a Ford or Chevy, I'm a Dodge guy--They are the greatest. It is Bullshiite. You are welcome to have a preference but to make those kinds of statements is childish and ignorant.

There is NO such thing as the perfect engine. Many times one engine can be better than another, for a given application. Chances are though that there are many other engines just as capable of performing the same job and giving the same performance.

Some are easier to obtain, cheaper to buy, more economical to modify, capable of higher HP with fewer aftermarket parts. We are all looking to do something different, since the market as it is, doesn't offer what we want from the dealers. We all will also applaude going a step farther and going down a road less travelled. Trying to be different for the sake of being different and ending up with a poorer result though.........:confused: Whoever has been blowing smoke up your *** about CATs being the end all be all of engines has done you a huge disservice. The fact that CAT has used Perkins as well as other engines and just slapped yellow paint and an emblem on them should prove that. Just as Cummins used Onans, GM uses Isuzu, Ford uses International and on and on and on the farther you delve. It has been done since the beginning, it just isn't always profitable for every company to make every size engine so the pick one that meets their durability standards and makes a contract. There are CATS, Deere, Yanmar, Scania, Detroit, Cummins, Isuzu, VW, Kubota, Deutz and countless other diesels that people hold as "The One". But its kind of like religion and all of it's Gods. Take your choice for the one that suits your needs and comfort, but you shouldn't try to belittle others because of their choice, it just shows a total narrow mindedness and lack of information.

If you want to do a CAT swap. More power to you. We will all help. We won't do all your footwork for you though. Do your own research and figure out which engine will fit your vehicle and intended end goals. Ensure you can get the parts you need to do the swap. Buy it and the vehicle and get going. Tell us about your project, show us your pics, etc. We won't decide on an engine for you-its not our money or effort being spent. We also won't do your research and hand it to you on a platter. As cool as the information age is you can generally find your own info in less time than it takes to type out a question and post it and the wait for one of us to read it and respond and then, ALL you'd be getting is one person's opinion--NOT FACTS you ferreted out on our own.
 
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Jeez I didn't need a book.. If your gonna bitch about everything then don't reply lol.. It's just preference. And I am a dodge guy, I would love a cummins but everyone has one.. Just cuz I wanna be different doesn't mean you have to rip me for it.. Honestly I don't care about your opinions if your gonna be like that
 
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