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After more research it appears to be a Fiat Power Technology or FPT diesel. I didn't know about them...
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Kind of looks like the copied some features of the B series
Water pump design, Valve covers, oil cooler and filter area, intake manifold part of the head:
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I think you'll find those engines look like a Cummins because they are built under a Cummins license. They are a sort of mixture of the old B series and the ISBe series. They use the rear gear train like the ISBe's but still have the 8 valve head and use regular injection pumps instead of common rail. Were used in lots of farm machinery. I believe Case has them in some of their units. There was a 3 cylinder model as well. Cummins made a 3bt but I've only ever seen one of those. Must be the rarest thing on the planet.
 

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If you are right then maybe some of the parts do interchange? It would to know about that. A guy tried to sell one to me as a Cummins....
 

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I've seen new Holland tractors with 4 and 6 cylinder engines that look very similar to a cummins. They have bigger blocks(as it's the frame on the tractor) and rounded valve covers like that. The other give away is that oil filter, fiat/over seas stuff. CNH is case, new Holland, ect. Very stout engines the ones we have at work. Some units have well over 5k hours.
 

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A good many of those engines are built by Iveco. Case/New Holland uses the model 334T/M2 which is a 3.4L 3 cylinder and the 445T/M2 which is the 4.5L 4 cylinder. Many of their parts carry multiple part #'s including Cummins. Here's a photo of an Iveco 3.4 head which is totally identical to a Cummins 4bt, just 1 less cylinder. It also carries a Cummins part # 4895802.
 

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Kind of looks like the copied some features of the B series
Water pump design, Valve covers, oil cooler and filter area, intake manifold part of the head:
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Kind of looks like the copied some features of the B series
Water pump design, Valve covers, oil cooler and filter area, intake manifold part of the head:
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Is picture #6 the same motor as #5 ? In #5 the fan pulley is above the ring gear & the gear cover is on the other end of the motor , looks like every thing is messed up
 

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Is picture #6 the same motor as #5 ? In #5 the fan pulley is above the ring gear & the gear cover is on the other end of the motor , looks like every thing is messed up
Not the same engine. Once I figured out FPT I got some more pictures off the net.
 

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I am currently running an Iveco/FPT head on a 4bt block. Many interchangable parts, very solid and reliable engines. FPT engines are found in almost all CNH equipment, along with some other equipment including vermeer chippers, generac generators...
 

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I am currently running an Iveco/FPT head on a 4bt block. Many interchangable parts, very solid and reliable engines. FPT engines are found in almost all CNH equipment, along with some other equipment including vermeer chippers, generac generators...
interesting. was the Iveco head cheaper to buy? or was there another reason you used. it?
 

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I work for a case construction dealer and robbed it from a junk skid steer engine. So it was cheap and easy to get in my situation. My engine is all sorts of miss matched parts
 

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I've seen new Holland tractors with 4 and 6 cylinder engines that look very similar to a cummins. They have bigger blocks(as it's the frame on the tractor) and rounded valve covers like that. The other give away is that oil filter, fiat/over seas stuff. CNH is case, new Holland, ect. Very stout engines the ones we have at work. Some units have well over 5k hours.
That's where I've seen them too. You can tell they're related but not quite the same as normal Cummins. For a while you could find Manitou telehandlers with Cummins engines and New-Holland telehandlers which were built by Manitou with IVECO engines (licensed version of Cummins)

Iveco trucks run a whole range. At the bottom of this page: IVECO is a CNH industrial company.
 

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You have to remember that Case and Cummins worked together to develop the B series engines. A few years back they parted company so Cummins is no longer the supplier for their newer engines. I guess Cummins still gets some royalty payments since quite a few parts carry their part numbers.
 

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Iveco is an Italian company owned by CNH (Case/New Holland). They are not Cummins but have built engines with Cummins design.
 
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