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Engines back in the frame again and the accessories are all installed. While the paint was curing I serviced the starter and set up the bypass valve on the K27 and the blower bypass. As well I finished the leading of the firewall and that glue is curing as we speak. Next is turning the truck around for the last time and finishing the blower bypass tubing. Snow is in the forecast, so I might go out tomorrow and get it turned around. Allis is not very happy in the
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I found a geared, much smaller starter for boats I have been using for years on my 4-53T, made from somewhere in Caroline if one has a space problem.

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I found a geared, much smaller starter for boats I have been using for years on my 4-53T, made from somewhere in Caroline if one has a space problem.

Ed
Thanks Ed, The new Delco Remy 39MT's are much smaller and lighter at 30 LBS. That's the new replacement for the older line-up of starters. I'll most likely replace this one when it's time.

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Worked on the blower bypass this week, pressure tested and installed. Installed turbos, hoses and engine harness as well as covering with heat shielding around the turbos. Made a airbox drain from an old water filter and mounted that as well, hold 2-3 cups of oil and has a drain on the bottom. The air box drain just spits small amounts of oil and water etc that collects and blows it on the ground.
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Yeah. Wouldn't be a good old style diesel unless it marked its territory. LOL.
Is it my imagination or does A310 get more done in a day than I do do in a month? Nice work buddy.
Lol, I was able to get a good couple of days on this thanks to my wife.:) I'm on a huge push to get this finished and out the door, so I've been working on it every chance I can get. It's now trying to find all the parts I put somewhere.lol
 

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Finished tidying up hoses and wires as well as relocated some filters to make cab off procedures easier. I installed my Webasto heater as well as wired up the Jakes. I modified an ashtray cover to make a switch panel for the Webasto and Jake low/high switches. Next is install the driveshafts, larger injectors and turn up the governor.
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Here's a video I made of my swap to date with the cab off. Started on the governor today and turning it up to 3000 rpm. After that it's new injectors and a tune up.:)
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Hello A310!
I’m new to this site and only discovered this thread about a month ago. Since then I’ve been following your progress with immense interest. What a careful and neat job!
It’s going on 20 years ago that I put a 4-53T into an 83 K2500 Suburban. Has a Muncie 4 speed manual that came original in the Sub and I added a Gear Vendors over/underdrive behind the transfer case. It’s been a faithful old beast and family vehicle all these years.
I was so excited to find your build here because I’ve wanted to do the exact same thing for quite a while. After all the time in building the Suburban I said I probably would never do it again, but the years have changed my mind:) Now lately I found and purchased a 92 model 4-53T Silver that’s in good shape. I’ve thought of putting it into a 2011 Super Duty or newer since they have the SAE transmission bell housing. But since seeing yours I think I won’t hesitate if I would find the right 08 to 10 as well.
My hesitation always was whether I could get the trans to shift with the vehicle computer and I’m patiently (as is possible) looking forward to seeing yours shift.
I have a question. It was unclear to me what you did about the Cam signal. Is it not needed? Or did the Swaphelper take care of that too? I always figured I would need to rig a gear reduction to get a half speed for the cam signal. Would you explain that to me because if I remember right, you said you did retain the cam sensor in the 13 or so sensors you kept?
One last thing for now. I told my two-cycle Detroit specialist friend about this thread and he looked it over with incredible interest as well. He did make one observation I couldn’t have seen. He said you have a left hand water pump mounted on the right side where you should really have a true right hand water pump. He said you can tell because a right hand one will lean in toward the engine instead of away from it. He’s afraid you could cook something with all the extra horsepower you are building. He says that while the impeller will be moving the coolant in the right direction, it won’t move the same volume the right hand impeller would. Apparently it’s very common to find the wrong one on these engines and a lot of times it doesn’t cause a big problem but potentially it could. For whatever it’s worth:)

Well you certainly have some of us very entertained. Thank you for your efforts to document it all so well!
 

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Hello A310!
I’m new to this site and only discovered this thread about a month ago. Since then I’ve been following your progress with immense interest. What a careful and neat job!
It’s going on 20 years ago that I put a 4-53T into an 83 K2500 Suburban. Has a Muncie 4 speed manual that came original in the Sub and I added a Gear Vendors over/underdrive behind the transfer case. It’s been a faithful old beast and family vehicle all these years.
I was so excited to find your build here because I’ve wanted to do the exact same thing for quite a while. After all the time in building the Suburban I said I probably would never do it again, but the years have changed my mind:) Now lately I found and purchased a 92 model 4-53T Silver that’s in good shape. I’ve thought of putting it into a 2011 Super Duty or newer since they have the SAE transmission bell housing. But since seeing yours I think I won’t hesitate if I would find the right 08 to 10 as well.
My hesitation always was whether I could get the trans to shift with the vehicle computer and I’m patiently (as is possible) looking forward to seeing yours shift.
I have a question. It was unclear to me what you did about the Cam signal. Is it not needed? Or did the Swaphelper take care of that too? I always figured I would need to rig a gear reduction to get a half speed for the cam signal. Would you explain that to me because if I remember right, you said you did retain the cam sensor in the 13 or so sensors you kept?
One last thing for now. I told my two-cycle Detroit specialist friend about this thread and he looked it over with incredible interest as well. He did make one observation I couldn’t have seen. He said you have a left hand water pump mounted on the right side where you should really have a true right hand water pump. He said you can tell because a right hand one will lean in toward the engine instead of away from it. He’s afraid you could cook something with all the extra horsepower you are building. He says that while the impeller will be moving the coolant in the right direction, it won’t move the same volume the right hand impeller would. Apparently it’s very common to find the wrong one on these engines and a lot of times it doesn’t cause a big problem but potentially it could. For whatever it’s worth:)

Well you certainly have some of us very entertained. Thank you for your efforts to document it all so well!
Thanks for the kind words. It's been a lot of fun swapping in the Detroit and modifying it along the way. I'm now turning up the governor to 3200 and installing the larger injectors. The Swaphelper came about after I had trouble getting my tone ring to work. The diameter was too small and threw off the 6.4 crank sensor which in turn gave a very poor tach signal. I used both the crank and cam sensor and had them timed so the cam was 1/2 the crank speed using a camshaft pulley setup. It's critical to have a good tach or the trans will not shift as well as getting the charging, ac working. In the end I threw in the towel and bought the Swap helper, which replaced both the crank and cam sensor. I should have done that from the beginning, but live and learn. To help the 5R110 shift I bought a program called HPTuners and will tune the trans with that. I can program the shift parameters and tailor it to the Detroit. I've already spent 5 hours or so testing different things with the program and love it. I got rid of the check engine and wrench light, so the trans will not be in limp mode. As far as the water pump is concerned, I'll have another look at it, but it's I think it's impossible to mount an opposite pump. I know this as I ordered the wrong pump and it would not fit, so I had to send it back for the right one. But I'll go have a look as I have another 4-53T with the same pump and double check. Can't wait to get this on the road and see how it runs and shifts.:)
 

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Curious, is the Webasto to warm up the engine to make starting easier? Of course it would give you instant heat in the cab during cold weather. Those heaters are really nice but not cheap as I'm sure you know. I one time looked at a Deutz swap and that heater was the ticket to keep the cab toasty.
 

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Curious, is the Webasto to warm up the engine to make starting easier? Of course it would give you instant heat in the cab during cold weather. Those heaters are really nice but not cheap as I'm sure you know. I one time looked at a Deutz swap and that heater was the ticket to keep the cab toasty.
It's both to keep my cab warm and heat the engine. It will heat the cab and engine to running temp in 30 minutes and sips fuel. I've been looking for one of these for 5 years and this one was the first deal I've found a deal on so I bought it. I hate idling my engines and this will keep us in comfort in the winter.:) Very happy with my purchase.:)
 

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M&M2 Thank your friend for me please, he's right about the water pump. I went and looked at my three other engines and sure enough they had the different pump. I'll pull one of my other pump and install it.:) Thanks again.:)
 

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Another productive week on my build, finished up setting the governor to 3200 rpm. Never thought that would take longer than a couple hours, but now that my engine is a nice shiny metallic silver my hand held rpm gun couldn't get a accurate signal. So I lowered the cab and plugged in the dash and used the tach to set the rpm. It took me two tries to get it right, but in the end it was .30" shims that got the rpm right, sure sounds great. After that I replaced the old injectors with larger ones and then did a full tune up.
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Links really good. How do you increase the fuel on those detroits?

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By adding larger injectors, I've added about 15-20% more fuel with these new injectors. I'll run these for a while and see if I'm happy with the power and if not, I'll go up another couple of sizes.
 
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