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Does anyone have any experience with these older mechanical detroit engines? I have been planning a towing rig type build for awhile now and had always thought the cummins 5.9 was the way to go as I am trying to do it as mechanical as possible for simplicity! But I recently have been learning more about these Detroit engines and it peaked my interest. What really caught my interest was the fact that they are wet sleeved and thus there is never a need to bore it out to rebuild! Yes I know the 466 weighs a lot more than a 5.9 but I am planning to go with full air ride suspension so that should not be a huge factor.

Please let me know any thoughts or concerns I am still in the brainstorming stage!
 

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Dt360 is a 5.9 just like the 12v. I also would love to put one in a pickup. Carson stauffer diesel has some trans adapters too. I believe most of the 360s are a bosch A pump. The tractor pull guys really get some fuel through them, there just doesnt seem to be as much info out there as there is for the p pumps.
 

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Dt360 is a 5.9 just like the 12v. I also would love to put one in a pickup. Carson stauffer diesel has some trans adapters too. I believe most of the 360s are a bosch A pump. The tractor pull guys really get some fuel through them, there just doesnt seem to be as much info out there as there is for the p pumps.
Do you think a 360 is a better choice? I kinda perfer the 408 or 466 so I dont have to have to crank it up too extremely to get the power I am looking for (I want a heavy tow rig so 3-4-500 hp is the range I am looking at) I also like the idea of a P-pump better as it is a bigger pump and would have to work less for the same volume. What I am shooting for is an engine that will last a lifetime (1-2 million miles) so I dont want to hop it up too much in order to retain reliability.

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Do you think a 360 is a better choice? I kinda perfer the 408 or 466 so I dont have to have to crank it up too extremely to get the power I am looking for (I want a heavy tow rig so 3-4-500 hp is the range I am looking at) I also like the idea of a P-pump better as it is a bigger pump and would have to work less for the same volume. What I am shooting for is an engine that will last a lifetime (1-2 million miles) so I dont want to hop it up too much in order to retain reliability.

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If that's what you want why don't you just go buy an IH truck that has a DT466 in it and tow with it?

What are you planning to put this in? A K30???

What do you plan to tow with 500 HP??

I've towed a lot of heavy stuff with pickups and worked with many hotshot drivers, some are even good friends. Safety and comfort are normally way higher concerns than how much HP you have. I have towed around 30-35K lbs gross a half dozen times with Ford Superduty F-350's, 2nd gen Dodge 3500's and a 4th gen Dodge 3500. Power was the very last concern on my mind at that weight. Tires, brakes, trailer brakes and cooling system are much more critical.
 

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If that's what you want why don't you just go buy an IH truck that has a DT466 in it and tow with it?

What are you planning to put this in? A K30???

What do you plan to tow with 500 HP??

I've towed a lot of heavy stuff with pickups and worked with many hotshot drivers, some are even good friends. Safety and comfort are normally way higher concerns than how much HP you have. I have towed around 30-35K lbs gross a half dozen times with Ford Superduty F-350's, 2nd gen Dodge 3500's and a 4th gen Dodge 3500. Power was the very last concern on my mind at that weight. Tires, brakes, trailer brakes and cooling system are much more critical.
Well yes I have always wanted to do a K30 swap but with the 25-30k towing capacity I am shooting for that will not work. It looks like I will probably have to find a newer chassis to put the older style cab onto (that will deal with the brake problems also). I am shooting for the 3-500 hp range simply because we have a couple of medium duty freightliners on our ranch and they have 8.3 Cummins in them and those power numbers are comparable. The reason I want to do this as a pickup instead of going medium duty is simply because a pickup is just way more daily(able) and convenient!

Also no I am not trying to build some kind of "sleeper" or racing pickup I simply want to have pleanty of power for towing equipment (excavators, tractors, livestock)
 

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Making a fun, fast lighter pickup would be a great reason to swap a DT466 into a pickup. If you want to tow heavy with it leaving it in the medium duty truck would be a better plan.

If you want a more "dailyable" medium duty look at the cabovers like Isuzu, Fuso, Hino.

How does an 8.3 Cummins live towing 30k at 500HP?

If I wanted to tow 30k with 300+HP I'd be looking at a 3406, an N14 or even a late BC 855.
 

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Making a fun, fast lighter pickup would be a great reason to swap a DT466 into a pickup. If you want to tow heavy with it leaving it in the medium duty truck would be a better plan.

If you want a more "dailyable" medium duty look at the cabovers like Isuzu, Fuso, Hino.

How does an 8.3 Cummins live towing 30k at 500HP?

If I wanted to tow 30k with 300+HP I'd be looking at a 3406, an N14 or even a late BC 855.

I am not trying to make a fast light pickup and I am not interested in an ugly medium duty cabover. Yes I have looked at the 3406 but I do not like the idea of the HEUI injection system :)

Also I kinda need 4x4 and being able to plow with it would be a big plus!

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Dta360 is a great engine, but a little large. 466 is, IMHO too big for a pickup. The ppump adapter for the 360 is cheap enough not to mess with that apump. The oem provided turbo charger also leaves a lot to be desired.
 
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