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Discussion starter · #261 ·
According to Bill, the engineer at Phoenix, it's a direct bolt on: flywheel, flexplate, converter, stock A1000 parts.

I have an 11 1/2 flywheel. Don't have the SAE 3 flexplate yet.

Does this help?
http://www.agkits.com/cummins-5-9l-3-9l---b-series-flywheel.aspx
Actually, yes it does! Thanks!

How are you guys connecting your Allison to EFI live? I have a GMC harness with TCM for my 2002 Allison. I never saw info on that part. If that is something that must be incorporated into the harness, where do I get the pigtail harness from?

Thanks
MIke
EFI Live plugs into the OBD II connector. If you don't have one you need to add one. Make sure both ends of the GMLAN are terminated properly, and that the wires are a twisted pair. Read my previous posts on the subject. I will add more detail on the HS GMLAN later in post 50.
 
Max the brake wire goes on the #2 pin in the GM TCM at least that is what the conection list I went by for the 06.The link you have for the wiring diagrams shows the same pin #2.I am checking with the GM dealer in the morning to double check.My info came from aldata also.
And you was rite I didn't have enough wires I was missing the crank voltage one #43 Thanks for making me check it out again.
Pins #24 and 25 are not used in the GM TCM.All the rest of the pins are a match on bothe list.
If you like I can give you a wiring diagram for a A51 TCM the one alison sold me as a 6sp.I sent it back.I can scan it and post it if you like.
I had to go to a radio shop to get the 120 s
recestors radio shack here in town just had odd numbers.
Dale
 
Discussion starter · #264 ·
Max the brake wire goes on the #2 pin in the GM TCM at least that is what the conection list I went by for the 06.The link you have for the wiring diagrams shows the same pin #2.I am checking with the GM dealer in the morning to double check.My info came from aldata also.
You're correct - pin #2 to the brake switch. That was an oops on my part when filling in the table. I fixed it - I'm actually surprised that was the only mistake :rasta:

And you was rite I didn't have enough wires I was missing the crank voltage one #43 Thanks for making me check it out again.
It will probably work without it, but I added it just to be thorough. It "wakes up" the TCM when pulled high, although the TCM should wake up when ignition power is applied to pin 63. On 07-up trucks pin 43 goes to the "wake up" output on the BCM rather than start, but it is for the same purpose.

Pins #24 and 25 are not used in the GM TCM.All the rest of the pins are a match on bothe list.
I added them for completeness. They are noted as "may or may not function on TCM's with GM OS". The Range Inhibit lamp output almost certainly functions on a GM TCM, since this is a basic function built into the TCM. The pin 25 speedo output may or may not work, but isn't a big deal since GM TCMs output a replicated TOSS on pin 18 for speedo use.

If you like I can give you a wiring diagram for a A51 TCM the one alison sold me as a 6sp.I sent it back.I can scan it and post it if you like.
I had to go to a radio shop to get the 120 s
recestors radio shack here in town just had odd numbers.
Dale
I already have the wiring diagram for the MD TCMs. Thanks for the offer though :)

Max, post 50 is for the 6sp TCM correct? I have a 2004 TCM and transmission which when I purchased was told was a 2002. The dates on the TCM and transmission tag are 2004.
Yes, that table is for a 6 speed. 5 speed TCM connections are in post #8, while the 5 speed NSBU connections and 20 pin trans connections are in post #1
 
Did your MD TCM have T/H and Tap shift and Exhaust brake.

Dale
 
Discussion starter · #267 ·
Did your MD TCM have T/H and Tap shift and Exhaust brake.

Dale
Tow/Haul and tap shift are strictly GM OS functionalities. MD TCM's do have an alternate shift schedule input on pin 61, but not all MD OS's use them. Keep in mind, there isn't a single MD OS or cal - every OE chassis configuration has their own, so there are literally dozens of MD cals for the 1000, 2000, and 2400 series.

In any case, I have concentrated on the GM TCMs, since they have the functionality that is most desirable to the swapper. A MD TCM will not take PWM throttle inputs - depending on configuration, they are either analog TPS (rare) or J1939 250kbps CAN (most common). Using a MD OS will give different functionality and feel, and more importantly for most swappers, EFI Live CAN NOT be used to reprogram shift points in them. You have to use Allison DOC software, which only authorized Allison service shops have. That is another reason I have concentrated on the GM TCMs rather than MD.

I was just reading on a Dmax forum about the tap shift. Is that something that could be setup with a factory GMC 6.6 TCM?
Onlt 6 speeds have tap shift functionality built in, so yes you can have tap shift if you are using a 6 speed TCM. 5 speeds do not have tap shift, but a guy by the screen name of DuraToTheMax has a tap shift add-on for 5 speeds. Both 5 and 6 speeds have tow/haul functionality.
 
Someone told the other day that there are kits available to mount Allison behind Cummins, so I started to google info about Allison to see if it suites my needs on '95 Dodge 4x4. This site, and especially this thread was first that had tons of info. And because I've read MaxPF's posts on CK5, I knew that info would be really detailed.

Now I'm really interested to get 6 speed, 2000 series Ally to my truck. And I wouldn't mind having a PTO provision on it, too. What's the reasonable price to pay of the used 6 speed, and most importantly, where to get one? I know that it's next to impossible to find one in here, and even if I'd find any, it would be way overpriced. Shipping it overseas costs something, but still it would be way cheaper.

+3000 bucks of Destroked kit is way too much for my budget, so I'll try to find TCM and sae #3 housing from ebay. I'm going to make the wiring myself, only thing I need is connectors and terminals. Are they Deutsch or GM specific? Maybe it's been said on this thread, so far I've read only a part of this. edit/ Ok, found it, they are weatherpacks, easy to find :) Allison 29502244 Harness Connector 748, does this go to tranny side or the harness side? I replaced valvebody to a 4000 series last fall, but didn't paid too much attention to connectors.
 
Discussion starter · #271 · (Edited)
According to Bill, the engineer at Phoenix, it's a direct bolt on: flywheel, flexplate, converter, stock A1000 parts.

I have an 11 1/2 flywheel. Don't have the SAE 3 flexplate yet.

Does this help?
http://www.agkits.com/cummins-5-9l-3-9l---b-series-flywheel.aspx
Well, I pulled my clutch and flywheel and was able to count the ring gear teeth: 152 teeth on a Dodge flywheel. According to the link above the SAE #3 flywheel is also 152 teeth, which means I can run an SAE #3 flexplate in the Dodge adapter. All that will be required is setting the spacing to the Ally converter and setting the starter depth appropriately. So, next step is to find a reasonably priced Cummins SAE #3 flexplate.

EDIT!!! I got bad info. The SAE #3 flexplates are 159 tooth. They are just a tad larger than the Dodge flexplates :(
 
Discussion starter · #273 ·
They have to be - they're the same diameter.
 
Discussion starter · #275 ·
Nope. I was counting teeth to make sure there wasn't a slight difference in diameter. Next step is to get a flexplate. I just hope they're not really thin...

I could use the Dodge flexplate, but that would mean keeping the starter at the stock depth, which in turn means I would need to notch the Ally's bellhousing for clearance of the starter nose when it throws out. I would rather avoid cutting on the Ally's bell, and I'd also prefer a flat flexplate over a dished one.
 
TPS input question

Hello group, I have read through the whole thread and this is great information. I have a question about the TPs input. I have a 2004 1000 that I,m retrofitting into a 1975 FMC motorhome, it's behind a 12V Cummins. The TCM is also a 2004 out of a Duramax P/U. When I wire up the TCM, there is no wire in at the red connector #9 pin location, which from the thread I believe is the TPS sense wire. So if I install a wire and connect it to the signal (2.5-5.0 V) of the TPS will the TCM use that signal for engine load or will I need to reprogram the TCM because it would normally be using the CAN bus circuit as it did with the Duramax. Has anyone had any experience with this?
 
Discussion starter · #277 ·
IIRC the DMax TCMs are deaf on the analog TPS input.
 
Discussion starter · #279 ·
No. The OS has to be changed. The only way to get an OS that will run an analog TPS is to have a shop with Allison DOC software flash it in for you. or buy a TCM with a suitable OS already in it. Note that such an OS is going to be intended for medium duty trucks, so it will not have tow/haul capability or 4wd-low compensation available.

If you want the Chevy truck functionality (tow/haul - you don't need 4-lo comp for a motorhome, unless it's 4wd :D), use a TCM from an 8.1L Allison app. It takes digital PWM inputs, which can be fed in using a Cat TPS just like we are doing with the 6 speed TCMs.
 
TPS input

Does anyone have the numbers that you would ask an Allison dealer to program the TCM to. Or is there a vendor that will sell you a TCM with an OS on it where you can just explain the parameters of the vehicle and what you want to accomplish, or do you always have to provide a VIN or calibration numbers to the programmer? If that's the case, how do you determine what VIN or cal id to provide?. Frank
 
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