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Discussion starter · #286 ·
Does anyone have the numbers that you would ask an Allison dealer to program the TCM to. Or is there a vendor that will sell you a TCM with an OS on it where you can just explain the parameters of the vehicle and what you want to accomplish, or do you always have to provide a VIN or calibration numbers to the programmer? If that's the case, how do you determine what VIN or cal id to provide?. Frank
Allsion dealers will only program a TCM if it is in a medium duty truck. They will NOT touch a TCM with a GM os/cal in it.

MikeHall
How do you tell if you have the 6.6 DM or 8.1 TCM?

When I purchased the TCM from the truck builder, he told me it was from a 04 Duramax, I guess I don't know that for sure.
Frank
If there's a p/n on a TCM, you could cross reference it to online catalogs or give a call to a part stores.
DMax and 8.1 apps use the same part numbers. The OS flashed into the TCM is the difference. At least, that is the case with gen 4 TCMs. Gen 3 (5 speed) TCM's are probably the same, but it is possible the same OS could be used for both. I haven't done as much research on Gen 3 TCMs ever since I figured out I could make a 6 speed work.
 
I ran into a small snag when I plugged the harnes into the trany it had a drip of trany fluid in 2 1/2 day's it drip about a 3/8 of a inch of fluid into a dixie cup the one used in a bathroom.So I drained the fluid and pulled the plug from the trany you have to cross your eyes and stick out your tunge befor you find the rite combination to get it out with out pulling the complete inside harness.I cleaned the trany fluid with brakeclean and used opoxy the a freind got from his work.Then I also used some gasket make called ritestuff for a little more peice of mind.I have been letting it cure for a few day's.Had to get some new batt. for the truck so I can get her started for the first time all the wiring is done truck is ready for a test drive after I put the front clip back on..Hope I will have good new to report that everything working with the allison.

thanks again Max.Have you check out my build thread and what do you think of it.

Dale
 
Discussion starter · #288 ·
I have looked at and studied he pin outs for the 5 speed Tcm. I know tht the hots (keyed and constant) need to be hooked up, grounds grounded. Correct me if I am wrong but there are if I count right 2 "torque" inputs 1 unmanaged and 2 managed on The grey conector. Pin 9 unmanaged. Pin 16 managed plus a output for Managed torque request at pin 22.
On red connector a input for TPS at pin 9. And a TPS refrence voltage at pin 19.

Where do i pull engine speed for the inputs on the red connector at pins 17 & 18

Thanks for helping
 
Discussion starter · #291 ·
I have looked at and studied he pin outs for the 5 speed Tcm. I know tht the hots (keyed and constant) need to be hooked up, grounds grounded. Correct me if I am wrong but there are if I count right 2 "torque" inputs 1 unmanaged and 2 managed on The grey conector. Pin 9 unmanaged. Pin 16 managed plus a output for Managed torque request at pin 22.
These are all digital inputs and outputs, and are used in 8.1L apps.

On red connector a input for TPS at pin 9. And a TPS refrence voltage at pin 19.
Those are for analog throttle inputs. GM TCMs do not use these, only certain MD applications will use the analog input.

Where do i pull engine speed for the inputs on the red connector at pins 17 & 18
That is fed by the speed sensor in the bellhousing.
 
Discussion starter · #292 ·
I had to edit my above post. I got my SAE #3 flexplate on Friday, and bolted it to the crankshaft. Everything looked good till I tried to insert the barring tool, and it didn't fit. I counted the teeth on the flexplate, and it is 159 tooth, not 152 tooth :( I can make it work, but I ran into another issue that I won't elaborate on in this thread, since it isn't pertinent. I just wanted to correct the bad info I posted above - Dodge flywheels/flexplates and SAE #3 flywheels/flexplates are NOT the same tooth count. Live and learn :D
 
I had to edit my above post. I got my SAE #3 flexplate on Friday, and bolted it to the crankshaft. Everything looked good till I tried to insert the barring tool, and it didn't fit. I counted the teeth on the flexplate, and it is 159 tooth, not 152 tooth :( I can make it work, but I ran into another issue that I won't elaborate on in this thread, since it isn't pertinent. I just wanted to correct the bad info I posted above - Dodge flywheels/flexplates and SAE #3 flywheels/flexplates are NOT the same tooth count. Live and learn :D
Bummer.

I hope the non "pertinent" issue resolves quickly.
 
How for off is the starter from bolting on.

Dale
 
Discussion starter · #295 ·
I have been trying to locate the answer to this question but I have yet to do so. Will the 6sp TCM setup work with a 5sp transmission?


Allsion dealers will only program a TCM if it is in a medium duty truck. They will NOT touch a TCM with a GM os/cal in it.





DMax and 8.1 apps use the same part numbers. The OS flashed into the TCM is the difference. At least, that is the case with gen 4 TCMs. Gen 3 (5 speed) TCM's are probably the same, but it is possible the same OS could be used for both. I haven't done as much research on Gen 3 TCMs ever since I figured out I could make a 6 speed work.
 
Discussion starter · #298 ·
In order to use a 6 speed TCM in a 5 speed trans you would need to swap in the 6 speed VB, shifter shaft, internal mode switch, and internal wiring harness. It's way simpler to either get a 5 speed TCM or a 6 speed transmission.
 
ok, I was thinking the 6sp TCM would also control the 5sp transmission. Not sure where I had seen that or thought I had before. I have a 5sp TCM to work with and I wonder if I will be able to make my Allison shift well with it alone. I have a 2003 CR which will be about 350hp.
 
Discussion starter · #300 ·
The 5 speed TCM will work stand alone just like the 6 speed TCM.
 
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