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The complete Allison 1000/2000/2400 info and swap guide thread

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
I decided to start a thread devoted to this trans for a couple reasons. First off, there is a LOT, and I mean a LOT of misinformation out there. Second, there is little useful info for some basic specifications on these transmissions. Finally, a lot of guys think they are too complicated or too expensive, when in fact they are no more complicated or expensive than, say, a 4L80E or 48RE that is built to do the same thing. Since I have decided to swap a 1000 into my truck I have been heavily researching all the details. While I still don't have all the answers I want, I do have most that I need, and I figured why not consolidate this information somewhere to help out other folks who contemplate this swap. I think a lot of folks get turned off of an Ally swap simply because the information is sporadic and often contradictory.

With that said, my goal for this thread is to include as much FACTUAL INFORMATION as possible. If info is prefaced by "I think", "Supposedly", "I heard", "My friend said", etc. I don't consider it factual. I don't want a thread full of anecdotal information, but rather facts that people can use to make an informed decision and help them successfully complete a swap. ;) With that said, including unconfirmed info and opinions is fine as long as it is presented as such.

Also, when adding any information, make sure to specify what generation of Allison it belongs to. There is the pre-2004 5 speed, 04-05 5 speed, and 06-up 6 speed, with various revisions among the years. Try to be as specific as possible.

Anyway, with that said I will start with some basic info about the 1000/2000/2400 series.

GENERAL INFORMATION

The Allison 1000/2000/2400 series are torque converter driven, fully automatic transmissions with 5 or 6 forward speeds. 5th and 6th are overdrive gears, and the overall ratios are dependent on model. All have a neutral and reverse gear as well, and the 1000 and 2400 series have a park position which actuates an integral park pawl. The basic max ratings for this series of transmission is 300HP, 550lb-ft input torque without SEM/torque management, 620lb-ft input torque with SEM/torque management, and 850lb-ft turbine torque. These are the ratings published by Allison for MD on-road use. As we know, the ratings for GM pickups with the DMax are higher, but the GVW and duty cycle of a pickup are less than a Md truck, so Allison rates the trans conservatively. No doubt the software in the TCM has a huge impact on the amount of power the trans can really take. GVW and GCW ratings of the trans depends mainly on whether the unit has a park pawl (units with park pawl are rated lower). GVW varies from 19,500lbs for the 1000 series to 33,000lbs for units without park. GCW ranges from 26,000lbs to 33,000lbs. Complete ratings and specs can be found here.

The gear ratios for the various models are as follows:

..........1000..........2000/2400

  • 1st.....3.10...........3.51
  • 2nd....1.81...........1.90
  • 3rd.....1.41...........1.44
  • 4th.....1.00...........1.00
  • 5th.....0.71...........0.74
  • 6th.....0.61...........0.64 (06-up models only)
  • Rev.....4.49...........5.09

INTERNAL OPERATION

Internally, the transmissions have three planetary gear sets controlled by 5 sets of clutches, labeled C1-C5. 2 clutch packs (C1-C2) are rotating, and transfer input torque to certain elements in the planetary sets, while the remaining 3 sets (c3-C5) are stationary and lock each of the ring gears and their coupled components to the case when engaged. These transmissions contain no bands, sprags, or roller clutches - all gear changes are accomplished by direct clutch-to-clutch changes. Clutch engagements for each gear are as follows:

.............C1........C2........C3........C4........C5

  • Park..........................................................*
  • Rev.........................................................
  • Neu..........................................................*
  • 1st..........................................................
  • 2nd........................................................
  • 3rd.........................................................
  • 4th.........................................................
  • 5th.........................................................
  • 6th......................................................... (06-up models only)

VALVE BODY AND TRANSMISSION ELECTRICAL

Shifting is controlled electronically. The valve body contains 6 (03-earlier) or 7 (04-up) solenoids which control all functions. Solenoids A and B are "trim" solenoids that regulate the pressure on the oncoming and off-going clutches. both are pressure proportional to current (PPC) solenoids which operate at a frequency of 1KHz. Solenoid A is normally closed, providing full line pressure at zero current and zero pressure at 100% current. Solenoid B is normally open and provides zero pressure at zero current and full line pressure at 100% current. Solenoid A controls the oncoming and applied clutches while B controls the off-going clutch. In the event of a power or TCM failure solenoid, A will default to full pressure while B defaults to zero pressure, giving a limp-home capability. 04-up valve bodies incorporate a G solenoid which reduces the main line pressure by approximately 100psi during idle and low load operation, reducing heat generation. The F solenoid controls TCC apply and release. On 05-earlier models this is a PWM solenoid operating at 100Hz, while 06-up use a PPC solenoid operating at 1KHz.

Shifting is controlled by 3 normally closed solenoids, C, D, and E. These solenoids are strictly binary, applying either full line pressure or exhaust to its associated spool valve. The logical combination of these 3 valves determines which clutches are applied. Contrary to what some believe, the solenoids do not directly operate the clutches. The spools and solenoids are arranged so that each shift change will exhaust the off-going clutch via the solenoid B path while applying pressure to the oncoming clutch via the solenoid A pressure. Because of this, shifts must be sequential - the transmission will not skip gears when upshifting or downshifting. It also means that it is not possible to apply random sets of clutches, although it is possible that the unused solenoid combinations could create a non-valid clutch condition (i.e. C2 and C5 applied) which would create a lockup. There have been anecdotes of aftermarket controllers applying all 5 clutch packs while at speed, but I don't believe it is possible to apply more than 2 clutches with the arrangement of valving in the VB. That is not confirmed, however...

Here are the solenoid combos for the various gears:

.............C...........D...........E
  • Park.............................*
  • Rev................................
  • Neu..............................*
  • 1st.....................*.............
  • 2nd.................................. (If power is lost or TCM is inoperative, this is the limp mode gear)
  • 3rd.......*..........................
  • 4th.................................
  • 5th...................................*
  • 6th ???????????????????? (Don't have info for this....)

The VB also contains a pressure switch assembly which gives feedback to the TCM on which solenoids are engaged. The PSA also houses the trans temp sensor, which is a negative temperature coefficient thermistor. All VB electricals are passed through the case using a standard GM 20-pin connector, identical to the one used on the late 4l60Es and 4L80Es. Looking at the connector in the trans, starting with the upper left and working left to right, top to bottom, the pins are labeled A-W, with the letters I, O, and Q not used. The pin assignments and color codes of the INTERNAL wiring harness for 5-speed models are as follows:

  • A - Dk Green - Shift Solenoid C
  • B - Orange/Black - Shift Solenoid D
  • C - Pink - Power to shift solenoids C, D, and E
  • D - Lt Green - PSA terminal A
  • E - Red - PSA terminal C
  • F - Blue - PSa terminal B
  • G - Orange - PSA terminal E
  • H - Black - PSA terminal F
  • J - Brown - TCC solenoid F
  • K - Tan - PSA terminal D
  • L - Red/Black - Trim Solenoid A
  • M - Lt Blue - Trim Solenoid A
  • N - Gray - Trim Solenoid B
  • P - Purple - Trim Solenoid B
  • R - ????? - Line Pressure Solenoid G (04-up only)
  • S - Black - TCC Solenoid F
  • T - Tan - PSA terminal F
  • U - Green - IC to terminal V
  • V - Green - IC to terminal U
  • W - Black/Tan - Shift Solenoid E

For 6-speed models, the internal connections are as follows (no color codes - sorry:

  • A - Shift solenoid C
  • B - Shift solenoid D
  • C - Shift solenoid E
  • D - PSA terminal A
  • E - PSA terminal C
  • F - PSA terminal B
  • G - PSA terminal E
  • H - PSA terminal F, IMS terminal F
  • J - TCC solenoid F
  • K - PSA terminal D
  • L - Trim solenoid A, TCC solenoid F, main pressure solenoid G
  • M - Trim solenoid A
  • N - Trim solenoid B, shift solenoids C, D, and E
  • P - Trim solenoid B
  • R - IMS terminal A
  • S - Main pressure solenoid G
  • T - IMS terminal E
  • U - IMS terminal D
  • V - IMS terminal C
  • W - IMS terminal B

Other electrical components include 3 (05-earlier GM apps) or 2 (06-up GM apps) variable reluctance speed sensors and an NSBU (Neutral Start back-Up) switch (05-earlier) or IMS (Internal Mode Switch - 06-up). The first speed sensor is in the bell housing and gets its signal from the pump vane ribs in the converter housing. On 6-speed GM apps, the bell housing speed sensor is deleted, and the TCM instead gets engine speed information from the ECM via the GMLAN bus. The second sensor is the turbine speed sensor in the main housing, and pics up off of either the PTO gear or a stamped steel tone ring that replaces the PTO gear in units without a PTO option. Finally, 2WD transmissions have an output speed sensor in the output housing that reads off of a 40-tooth tone ring on the output shaft. 4WD models use the speed sensor and 40 tooth tone ring in the transfer case tail housing. 4WD models have a switch input to notify the TCM that 4Lo mode is engaged, and the TCM makes appropriate compensation for the TC low gear ratio.

The NSBU switch on the 01-02 5 speeds is essentially identical to that used on the 4L60Es. There are 2 receptacles on the NSBU. The 4-pin gives the TCM information regarding the gear selected, while the 7-pin accesses switches are used for P-N starter lockout and backup lights. The 4-pin receptacle's pins are marked A, B, C, and D. Depending on the shift position selected, a combination of 2 of these pins will be grounded. Here's the table, with the grounded pins marked with an asterisk:

.............A...........B...........C.........D
  • P.................................................
  • R................................................
  • N...............................................
  • D................................................
  • 3...................................................
  • 2................................................
  • 1...............................................

Since only 2 terminals or no terminals (in the case of 3rd) are valid combinations, the TCM can sometimes determine if there is a wiring or switch malfunction. The standard wiring color codes and their connection to the TCM J2 connector for the 4-pin receptacle are as follows:

  • A - Blue - pin 5
  • B - Gray - pin 7
  • C - White - pin 8
  • D - Yellow - pin 6

NOTE: On GM pickups, these wires go to the ECM, which then buffers and feeds them to the TCM. On stand-alone apps, they will be wired directly to the TCM. This is a helpful bit of info for those modding a GM pickup harness ;)

The 7-pin connector on the NSBU has pins labeled A-G, and their corresponding wire colors and assignments are as follows:

  • A - Not used
  • B - Tan - Park Accessory
  • C - Blue - Rev/Park Accessory fuse
  • D - Green - TCM analog ground (TCM J2 connector, pin 20)
  • E - Yellow - Park/neutral start battery feed
  • F - Pink - backup lamps
  • G - Orange - Starter relay

03-05 models used a very similar NSBU switch assembly, except they have a single connector that contains all the pins, rather than 2 separate connectors.

06-up 6-speed transmissions no longer use an external NSBU switch. The external switches were prone to failure caused by internal corrosion due to exposure to water. The park and reverse accessory and backup lamp switch functions were moved to the column. Park/neutral and gear selector position info on these transmissions is done with an internal mode switch (IMS) mounted on the rooster comb inside the transmission. Its functions are brought out through the 20-pin connector on the transmission (see above). The F pin on the IMS is common, and depending on position one or more of the remaining pins will be switched to the F pin. Pin A is connected to the ECM, and is used to notify it that the transmission is in either park or neutral, thus allowing the engine to be cranked. The final 4 (B-E) are connected directly to the TCM and tell it what range is selected, NOTE; On GM trucks, the PRNDL is labeled P-R-N-D-M-1, with only those 6 positions available via the column shifter. However, the transmission itself has 7 positions internally - the last position is simply not used in GM vehicles, and the travel is limited in the column shifter so a GM vehicle cannot physically shift into the last position. However, a DIY shifter setup WILL be able to shift into that last position unless it is likewise limited (i.e. using a 3-speed floor shifter rather than a 4-speed floor shifter).

Note that these pin assignments are those of the switch itself, NOT the 20-pin external connector. Refer to the external pinout description above for the 6-speed to find the external pins connected to these internal pins.

............A............B............C............D............E
  • P....................................*.............................
  • R..................................................................
  • N.................................................*...............
  • D..................................................................
  • 3...............................................................
  • 2..................................................................
  • 1..................................................................

Information continued in later posts.
 
#567 ·
What is the difference between a GM Allison and a truck Allison?

I wish to fit an Allison 5 speed tranny to my motorhome behind a full mechanical Cummins 6BT. Looking at a GM/Allison and a truck Allison to me they look the same physically except for the different bellhousing pattern.
Are there any other differences? Internally?
Will a GM Allison work with the truck Allison controller?
My reason for these questions is that here in Australia GM Allisons are much more common than truck Allison's plus a truck allison can be programmed locally which isn't possible with the GM/Allison.
TIA
Peter
 
#568 ·
Yes the GM Allison will work with the MD TCM

Dale
 
#569 ·
I have a passenger side drop NP241c with mechanical speedo I would like to use with my 8.1l/Allison swap in a 78 K30. I see that I need to have the Allison's output re-splined. My question has to do with the speed sensor, can I use a pass through sensor from Dakota Digital or Jag That Run to provide the electronic signal the Allison needs and retain my cable speedo? How many pulses is the Allison looking for? The 241 has the same gear reduction ratio as the 261 so should I be okay with the low range? Thanks
 
#571 ·
I have a passenger side drop NP241c with mechanical speedo I would like to use with my 8.1l/Allison swap in a 78 K30. I see that I need to have the Allison's output re-splined.
IIRC there is a 29 spline input gear available for the pre-95 t-cases. 95ish and up use a different helix angle on the gears and are not interchangeable with the earlier gears. Look for a 29 spline input gear that uses the wide input bearing (same journal width as your current gear).
 
#570 ·
The Allison has 40

Dale
 
#572 ·
Well, that's a handy bit of information I'll have to look in to. I had understood it as there was not a 29 spline that would fit the 241 pre 1994. I've seen them in both .6 and .9 width bearings though. That will solve the mechanical piece of the puzzle. I am still a little lost on the speed sensor though, will a pass through style sensor that producing an electronic signal and retains the mechanical speedo cable work for the Allison? What sort of signal is the Allison looking for from the sensors (I've seen different pulse counts)?
 
#573 ·
As 2wpuller said the OSS needs to have 40 pulses per rev.
 
#575 ·
New question... I'm working on getting my 2001 Cummins ISB170 / Allison 1K combo installed into my '42 Dodge and am in need of a flexible dipstick... Has anyone located an aftermarket one that would work? I need it to be long enough to cross the top of the transmission bell and then extend up my firewall a bit. I've been looking at the Lokar Midnight series stuff since the truck is a military truck and I am keeping the military theme, I am not looking for anything bright and fancy.

Thanks in advance guys.
 
#576 ·
I made one out of a stock dmax by measuring how much the dipstick stuck out the end and cutting both ends off and brazing two pushloc fittings on the ends I cut then cut a piece of pushloc hose to go in between.





I filed down the lip so the dipstick didn't get hung up when putting it back in.



Just used a hose holder to secure it.

 
#579 · (Edited)
Not to step on toes, but the information i have from Allison on gear ratio's is as follows. ( Notice that all transmissions 1000/2000/2400 have same gear ratios unless is a specific version (2500) then they will have wide ratio). I have been trying to absorb some of these 20 odd pages, and distill it down to what I specifically need to put a 6spd in my 96 ram 2500 2wd 6bt. Thank everyone for their inputes. James.:beer:

Models
1000, 1000 EVS,*1000 HS, 1000 MH,*1000 SP,
1000 PTS, 1000 RDS, 2100 EVS, 2100 HS,
2100 MH, 2100 PTS, 2100 RDS, 2100SP, 2200 EVS,
2200, HS, 2200 MH, 2200 PTS, 2200 RDS, 2200 SP,
2300 HS, 2300 PTS, 2300 RDS, 2350 SP, 2350 EVS,
2350 HS, 2350 MH, 2350 PTS, 2350 RDS

Gear
Ratio
Sixth
0.67
Fifth
0.71
Fourth
1.00
Third
1.41
Second
1.81
First
3.10
*Sixth speed available July 2006 and later for specific vehicle configurations.
*
Models
2500 Series, 2500 EVS,*2500 MH, 2500 RDS
2500 SP, 2550 EVS, 2550 MH, 2550 RDS, 2550SP

Gear
Ratio
Sixth*
0.64
Fifth
0.74
Fourth
1.00
Third
1.44
Second
1.90
First
3.51
*Sixth speed available July 2006 and later for specific vehicle configurations.

B210 = close ratio model without park pawl
B220 = close ratio model with park pawl
1000 = close ratio model with park pawl
2100 = close ratio model without park pawl
2200 = close ratio model with park pawl
2300 = close ratio model without park pawl
2350 = close ratio model with park pawl
2500 = wide ratio model without park pawl
2550 = wide ratio model with park pawl
 
#580 · (Edited)
Just put together a list of parts that seem to be what is required to kit an Allison conversion from "Howard", this is less a harness and TCM. Believe it is all the necessary hardparts for 2 wheel drive Ram of 90's vintage. $2300 seems pricey, doesn't include allison itself!:(

( web site won't let me post links, well I had a link here to Howards Conversions.)


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AC-TE-01 Adater plate ( dodge to #3 SAE) $385.00

AC-MC-58 1.58 Low stall TCC with Adater to Dodge/Cummins flex plate $890.00

AC-SS-01 Dodge shifter shaft support. Re-use stock shifter $68.58

AA-RS-06 Range shifter $95.00

AA-BH-03 Bell housing ( SAE #3? )$316.91

AA-NS-02 Outside range switch used for reverse lights $46.25

AT-WP-02 Range switch plug $25.35

AC-TPS-01 TPS Switch $220.00

AC-FP-OE Flex Plate Stock Dodge Cummins Type ( I figure that Mine is ready to be replaced / Might get a billet one instead)$237.27

Item total:$2,284.36
 
#584 ·
I cleaned up my post,none of the parts are 4x4.
I'm the proud owner of a 96 12v w/ a dying 47re. I clicked 400,000 in August and have the Cummins High Milage grill badge:smokin:. Truck is a daily driver that I perform continous mx on. I'm rebuilding brakes thanksgiving work break. So.....when I finally get to the swap it must be fully planned out, including any programming of tcm, drive shaft swap etc. I need to make sure I am kitted up.:beer:
 
#583 ·
There isn't any swap that is cheap.

Dale
 
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#585 ·
You can use your Dodge TPS will work great if your using a MD TCM FROM Howard's

Dale
 
#587 ·
SO, I can use a Medium Duty Allison ( not GM) trans control module ( out of a freightliner, school bus or Ford F600/750, even possibly a 4bt variation like Fedex/UPS/Frito step van) , then retain my stock TPS ( expensive TPS) on my P pump, this will feed a signal to TCM ( bypassing Ram ECM). I am most interested in 6 spd capabilities.:idea:

ebay price on 6spd ally's are around $1600+$400 core, 5spd are much cheaper approx $800. Seems like if I can get the ally to shift an old 5spd to 6th cost effectively that is way to go? from what i have seen sun coast etc charge difference in price for their 6spd upgrade:eek:
 
#589 ·
3–1. SHIFT SELECTOR AND CABLE/LINKAGE
a. Adjustment. The transmission internal detent lever and spring must dictate
the position of the manual selector valve in the control valve body. Any
customer-furnished shift selector system must be designed and adjusted to
accomplish this positioning. The shift selector must move the internal detent lever
from position to position and not interfere with the ability of the internal detent
spring to position the manual selector valve. When the internal detent spring is in
the center of a detent lever position, the shift selector handle should be in the
center of the shift selector gate (refer to Figure 3–1). Follow the procedure below
to adjust the shift selector cable at the shift lever on the transmission.

Just got an Allison 1000/2000 CD Rom, so, I will be posting info from it. I will be reading through, it is several books, thousands of pages.:beer:
 
#591 ·
#592 ·
thank you maxpf, so i ended up finding out today when picking up my transmission that on an 06 duramax truck the transmission harness is integrated in the body harness and not in the engine harness. if anyone is looking for a harness to build their own. Now for a question hopefully someone can answer. Ive read the pages and downloaded my own wire diagrams on an 06 chevy 2500. Seing if anyone knows what the orange wire with black stripe does? Its in the 20 pin connector on the s-l line of pins and its right next to the s pin. When i was removing the trans harness from the body harness i didn't get to label where they went. so unsure if it went to the fuse box or to inside the truck somewhere. the truck did have trans temp in the cluster.

also since taking a gm truck harness and making it stand alone with an 06 6 speed, do i need to pin into the tcm wires for the prnd for the tcm or are they already there internal in the trans. and the external nsbu switch is on the column of a chevy and doesn't apply for a stand alone conversion.

And after reading through all the pages all i have to do is wire managed and unmanaged tps inputs together and then to the cat tps.

and i found the part numbers for the bcm connectors does anyone know part numbers for pins for the bcm and what exactly needs power and ignition switched power. seems every plug has a batt power and or a switched ignition power. but it seems like different connectors are split into groups like lights, windows, ect. so maybe the batt power and switched power doesn't matter since im not using those.

and lastly in the gm harness i have 2 sets of gmlan wires. one set is tan/wht on pin 6 says obd-2 data connector pin 6, the other wire is twisted pair and on pin 27 says obd-2 connector pin 14.

second set of wires is pin47 gmlan low lt blu, and pin 66 gmlan high dk blu. but in schematics posted shows not used or no pins in that location. does one pair go to the obd connector then the other blue pair go to the bcm?
 
#593 ·
Wow MaxPF you sure know your transmissions. Looking for some help in troubleshooting my 04 Duramax with the LB7. Has the 5 speed Allison. Range shift inhibit in Reverse with no movement. Limp mode in drive. Started to act up about 2 weeks ago. Used my EFI Live Autocal to pull codes
ABS C0040
PCM P0089
ABS C0055
ACM B1055

I cleared the codes, truck ran fine, but then would act up now and then. This all started to happen after I drove to work one day, when we had icy roads, and they were out salting the roads. When it was acting up, Reverse would always give the Range Shift Inhibit, and when I put it in drive, on my Insight CTS, I could see the gears, it would start out in 5th, and then slowly (5 seconds) downshift to 1st, and I could feel it downshifting. I could drive off, and it would shift properly. Once I made it home, it would even go into reverse. Transmission fluid was changed 40k miles ago, so yesterday I changed both internal and external spin on filter, and put Transynd in it.
I also cleaned the connectors on the NSBU switch, and also on the connector at the back of the transmission. I could not figure out how to lock the back connector. I did drive the truck, and it shifted fine, had reverse, and thought I had the problem solved. But today it acted up again. I will look tomorrow to see if any of the connectors worked their way loose. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks for all the information.
 
#594 ·
searching through diagrams i finally found out what the orange/black wire is. Its the wire for the internal mode switch. Its an 06 6 speed so i know its not on the side of the trans but internal. Does this wire get powerfrom the ecu and provide tcm with information on what gear its in, or is it just an output from the mode switch to tell the engine ecu its in park/neutral?
if doing a stand alone setup is this needed? I guess in stand alone mode it could be used to drive a relay between the starter solenoid to prevent accidental starts that is if its an output.

just need some info.
Oh maxPf pm me if you can seing if you still have that howards adapter ring.
 
#598 ·
So I was in Contact with this guy who sells harness to standalone allisons on ebay. he says i need a generation 5 tcm from him to make my 2100 work, it will not do with the gen 4 that i have. total cost for harness,tps and tcm and some other box for the speedo ends up at 2250 dollars. sounds a bit pricey? Any body here that could get me a harness and a tps that would work for me?