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The complete Allison 1000/2000/2400 info and swap guide thread

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
I decided to start a thread devoted to this trans for a couple reasons. First off, there is a LOT, and I mean a LOT of misinformation out there. Second, there is little useful info for some basic specifications on these transmissions. Finally, a lot of guys think they are too complicated or too expensive, when in fact they are no more complicated or expensive than, say, a 4L80E or 48RE that is built to do the same thing. Since I have decided to swap a 1000 into my truck I have been heavily researching all the details. While I still don't have all the answers I want, I do have most that I need, and I figured why not consolidate this information somewhere to help out other folks who contemplate this swap. I think a lot of folks get turned off of an Ally swap simply because the information is sporadic and often contradictory.

With that said, my goal for this thread is to include as much FACTUAL INFORMATION as possible. If info is prefaced by "I think", "Supposedly", "I heard", "My friend said", etc. I don't consider it factual. I don't want a thread full of anecdotal information, but rather facts that people can use to make an informed decision and help them successfully complete a swap. ;) With that said, including unconfirmed info and opinions is fine as long as it is presented as such.

Also, when adding any information, make sure to specify what generation of Allison it belongs to. There is the pre-2004 5 speed, 04-05 5 speed, and 06-up 6 speed, with various revisions among the years. Try to be as specific as possible.

Anyway, with that said I will start with some basic info about the 1000/2000/2400 series.

GENERAL INFORMATION

The Allison 1000/2000/2400 series are torque converter driven, fully automatic transmissions with 5 or 6 forward speeds. 5th and 6th are overdrive gears, and the overall ratios are dependent on model. All have a neutral and reverse gear as well, and the 1000 and 2400 series have a park position which actuates an integral park pawl. The basic max ratings for this series of transmission is 300HP, 550lb-ft input torque without SEM/torque management, 620lb-ft input torque with SEM/torque management, and 850lb-ft turbine torque. These are the ratings published by Allison for MD on-road use. As we know, the ratings for GM pickups with the DMax are higher, but the GVW and duty cycle of a pickup are less than a Md truck, so Allison rates the trans conservatively. No doubt the software in the TCM has a huge impact on the amount of power the trans can really take. GVW and GCW ratings of the trans depends mainly on whether the unit has a park pawl (units with park pawl are rated lower). GVW varies from 19,500lbs for the 1000 series to 33,000lbs for units without park. GCW ranges from 26,000lbs to 33,000lbs. Complete ratings and specs can be found here.

The gear ratios for the various models are as follows:

..........1000..........2000/2400

  • 1st.....3.10...........3.51
  • 2nd....1.81...........1.90
  • 3rd.....1.41...........1.44
  • 4th.....1.00...........1.00
  • 5th.....0.71...........0.74
  • 6th.....0.61...........0.64 (06-up models only)
  • Rev.....4.49...........5.09

INTERNAL OPERATION

Internally, the transmissions have three planetary gear sets controlled by 5 sets of clutches, labeled C1-C5. 2 clutch packs (C1-C2) are rotating, and transfer input torque to certain elements in the planetary sets, while the remaining 3 sets (c3-C5) are stationary and lock each of the ring gears and their coupled components to the case when engaged. These transmissions contain no bands, sprags, or roller clutches - all gear changes are accomplished by direct clutch-to-clutch changes. Clutch engagements for each gear are as follows:

.............C1........C2........C3........C4........C5

  • Park..........................................................*
  • Rev.........................................................
  • Neu..........................................................*
  • 1st..........................................................
  • 2nd........................................................
  • 3rd.........................................................
  • 4th.........................................................
  • 5th.........................................................
  • 6th......................................................... (06-up models only)

VALVE BODY AND TRANSMISSION ELECTRICAL

Shifting is controlled electronically. The valve body contains 6 (03-earlier) or 7 (04-up) solenoids which control all functions. Solenoids A and B are "trim" solenoids that regulate the pressure on the oncoming and off-going clutches. both are pressure proportional to current (PPC) solenoids which operate at a frequency of 1KHz. Solenoid A is normally closed, providing full line pressure at zero current and zero pressure at 100% current. Solenoid B is normally open and provides zero pressure at zero current and full line pressure at 100% current. Solenoid A controls the oncoming and applied clutches while B controls the off-going clutch. In the event of a power or TCM failure solenoid, A will default to full pressure while B defaults to zero pressure, giving a limp-home capability. 04-up valve bodies incorporate a G solenoid which reduces the main line pressure by approximately 100psi during idle and low load operation, reducing heat generation. The F solenoid controls TCC apply and release. On 05-earlier models this is a PWM solenoid operating at 100Hz, while 06-up use a PPC solenoid operating at 1KHz.

Shifting is controlled by 3 normally closed solenoids, C, D, and E. These solenoids are strictly binary, applying either full line pressure or exhaust to its associated spool valve. The logical combination of these 3 valves determines which clutches are applied. Contrary to what some believe, the solenoids do not directly operate the clutches. The spools and solenoids are arranged so that each shift change will exhaust the off-going clutch via the solenoid B path while applying pressure to the oncoming clutch via the solenoid A pressure. Because of this, shifts must be sequential - the transmission will not skip gears when upshifting or downshifting. It also means that it is not possible to apply random sets of clutches, although it is possible that the unused solenoid combinations could create a non-valid clutch condition (i.e. C2 and C5 applied) which would create a lockup. There have been anecdotes of aftermarket controllers applying all 5 clutch packs while at speed, but I don't believe it is possible to apply more than 2 clutches with the arrangement of valving in the VB. That is not confirmed, however...

Here are the solenoid combos for the various gears:

.............C...........D...........E
  • Park.............................*
  • Rev................................
  • Neu..............................*
  • 1st.....................*.............
  • 2nd.................................. (If power is lost or TCM is inoperative, this is the limp mode gear)
  • 3rd.......*..........................
  • 4th.................................
  • 5th...................................*
  • 6th ???????????????????? (Don't have info for this....)

The VB also contains a pressure switch assembly which gives feedback to the TCM on which solenoids are engaged. The PSA also houses the trans temp sensor, which is a negative temperature coefficient thermistor. All VB electricals are passed through the case using a standard GM 20-pin connector, identical to the one used on the late 4l60Es and 4L80Es. Looking at the connector in the trans, starting with the upper left and working left to right, top to bottom, the pins are labeled A-W, with the letters I, O, and Q not used. The pin assignments and color codes of the INTERNAL wiring harness for 5-speed models are as follows:

  • A - Dk Green - Shift Solenoid C
  • B - Orange/Black - Shift Solenoid D
  • C - Pink - Power to shift solenoids C, D, and E
  • D - Lt Green - PSA terminal A
  • E - Red - PSA terminal C
  • F - Blue - PSa terminal B
  • G - Orange - PSA terminal E
  • H - Black - PSA terminal F
  • J - Brown - TCC solenoid F
  • K - Tan - PSA terminal D
  • L - Red/Black - Trim Solenoid A
  • M - Lt Blue - Trim Solenoid A
  • N - Gray - Trim Solenoid B
  • P - Purple - Trim Solenoid B
  • R - ????? - Line Pressure Solenoid G (04-up only)
  • S - Black - TCC Solenoid F
  • T - Tan - PSA terminal F
  • U - Green - IC to terminal V
  • V - Green - IC to terminal U
  • W - Black/Tan - Shift Solenoid E

For 6-speed models, the internal connections are as follows (no color codes - sorry:

  • A - Shift solenoid C
  • B - Shift solenoid D
  • C - Shift solenoid E
  • D - PSA terminal A
  • E - PSA terminal C
  • F - PSA terminal B
  • G - PSA terminal E
  • H - PSA terminal F, IMS terminal F
  • J - TCC solenoid F
  • K - PSA terminal D
  • L - Trim solenoid A, TCC solenoid F, main pressure solenoid G
  • M - Trim solenoid A
  • N - Trim solenoid B, shift solenoids C, D, and E
  • P - Trim solenoid B
  • R - IMS terminal A
  • S - Main pressure solenoid G
  • T - IMS terminal E
  • U - IMS terminal D
  • V - IMS terminal C
  • W - IMS terminal B

Other electrical components include 3 (05-earlier GM apps) or 2 (06-up GM apps) variable reluctance speed sensors and an NSBU (Neutral Start back-Up) switch (05-earlier) or IMS (Internal Mode Switch - 06-up). The first speed sensor is in the bell housing and gets its signal from the pump vane ribs in the converter housing. On 6-speed GM apps, the bell housing speed sensor is deleted, and the TCM instead gets engine speed information from the ECM via the GMLAN bus. The second sensor is the turbine speed sensor in the main housing, and pics up off of either the PTO gear or a stamped steel tone ring that replaces the PTO gear in units without a PTO option. Finally, 2WD transmissions have an output speed sensor in the output housing that reads off of a 40-tooth tone ring on the output shaft. 4WD models use the speed sensor and 40 tooth tone ring in the transfer case tail housing. 4WD models have a switch input to notify the TCM that 4Lo mode is engaged, and the TCM makes appropriate compensation for the TC low gear ratio.

The NSBU switch on the 01-02 5 speeds is essentially identical to that used on the 4L60Es. There are 2 receptacles on the NSBU. The 4-pin gives the TCM information regarding the gear selected, while the 7-pin accesses switches are used for P-N starter lockout and backup lights. The 4-pin receptacle's pins are marked A, B, C, and D. Depending on the shift position selected, a combination of 2 of these pins will be grounded. Here's the table, with the grounded pins marked with an asterisk:

.............A...........B...........C.........D
  • P.................................................
  • R................................................
  • N...............................................
  • D................................................
  • 3...................................................
  • 2................................................
  • 1...............................................

Since only 2 terminals or no terminals (in the case of 3rd) are valid combinations, the TCM can sometimes determine if there is a wiring or switch malfunction. The standard wiring color codes and their connection to the TCM J2 connector for the 4-pin receptacle are as follows:

  • A - Blue - pin 5
  • B - Gray - pin 7
  • C - White - pin 8
  • D - Yellow - pin 6

NOTE: On GM pickups, these wires go to the ECM, which then buffers and feeds them to the TCM. On stand-alone apps, they will be wired directly to the TCM. This is a helpful bit of info for those modding a GM pickup harness ;)

The 7-pin connector on the NSBU has pins labeled A-G, and their corresponding wire colors and assignments are as follows:

  • A - Not used
  • B - Tan - Park Accessory
  • C - Blue - Rev/Park Accessory fuse
  • D - Green - TCM analog ground (TCM J2 connector, pin 20)
  • E - Yellow - Park/neutral start battery feed
  • F - Pink - backup lamps
  • G - Orange - Starter relay

03-05 models used a very similar NSBU switch assembly, except they have a single connector that contains all the pins, rather than 2 separate connectors.

06-up 6-speed transmissions no longer use an external NSBU switch. The external switches were prone to failure caused by internal corrosion due to exposure to water. The park and reverse accessory and backup lamp switch functions were moved to the column. Park/neutral and gear selector position info on these transmissions is done with an internal mode switch (IMS) mounted on the rooster comb inside the transmission. Its functions are brought out through the 20-pin connector on the transmission (see above). The F pin on the IMS is common, and depending on position one or more of the remaining pins will be switched to the F pin. Pin A is connected to the ECM, and is used to notify it that the transmission is in either park or neutral, thus allowing the engine to be cranked. The final 4 (B-E) are connected directly to the TCM and tell it what range is selected, NOTE; On GM trucks, the PRNDL is labeled P-R-N-D-M-1, with only those 6 positions available via the column shifter. However, the transmission itself has 7 positions internally - the last position is simply not used in GM vehicles, and the travel is limited in the column shifter so a GM vehicle cannot physically shift into the last position. However, a DIY shifter setup WILL be able to shift into that last position unless it is likewise limited (i.e. using a 3-speed floor shifter rather than a 4-speed floor shifter).

Note that these pin assignments are those of the switch itself, NOT the 20-pin external connector. Refer to the external pinout description above for the 6-speed to find the external pins connected to these internal pins.

............A............B............C............D............E
  • P....................................*.............................
  • R..................................................................
  • N.................................................*...............
  • D..................................................................
  • 3...............................................................
  • 2..................................................................
  • 1..................................................................

Information continued in later posts.
 
#629 ·
Does anyone here know a source for a complete mechanical driveline park brake that will fit an Allison 2200?

I was told only Dana & Meritor made them but cannot even get a reply from the corporate guys about a retail source. And I'd be happy to go junkin if I knew a few makes & models to look for. Any clues will be much appreciated.
 
#631 ·
The type I'm looking for bolts directly to the output end of the tranny and is basically a mechanically (cable) operated drum brake. Seen tons of hydraulic units but the "inspectors" want pure mechanical for the park on my 1.5 ton. Just have not found any make/model/year info regarding what they came on. The Allison has two bolt patterns for these. One is square (US) and the other is trapezoid (export). I need the US pattern.
 
#632 ·
my allison mt643 did not have a park brake, my output yoke had a flange so i bolted a machined down drum, machined about 10 holes in it and installed an big electromagnet with spring return. when the magnet pulled in, a lever pushed a 3/8 pin in one of the holes. if there was any pressure on the drum it would stay locked in, if i reversed it would automatically retract. worked good.
im in the process of converting to an allison 2400, partially because of the 5 speed / overdrive but also it gives me parking brake. i will post latter asking info on wiring / controller for the conversion.
eric
 
#634 ·
this thread has been going on for years now, has anyone actually done a complete alilsion stand alone installation that works on a daily driver. im ready to drop in a 2002 - five speed 2400 in my small motorhome. does anyone have a wiring diagram and which controller works best.
12 years ago, installed a allison md3060 in my 1957 chevy two ton behind a cummins 8.3. with the allison manual and lots of back and fourth between chapters and wiring diagrams i got it all wired up, always worked great, so im kind of puzzled why this seems so complicated. the most challenging part was to find someone to reflash the 5 speed computer from a bus into a six speed for me.
i would rather pick someone brain who has done this but i can always buy the factory allison manual and go from there.
 
#635 ·
all the info in this thread regarding wiring, connectors, and diagnostic can be found in these publications and you actually will get concrete wiring diagrams.... most people really dont care what language the tcm and ecm communicate in, what MOST people want is a step by step "how to" guide to make an allison work on its own.
these publications dont do that BUT, all the info you need can be found in them. and instead of spending close to $300 for the original version like i did 12 years ago when i wired my allison 3060, these are now free online for downloads from various sources... i will try and come up with a part number for the TPS.!
allison 5 speed diagnostic manual ( 1st, 2cd and 3rd gen ) pn # TS3192EN
allison 6 speed diagnostic manual ( 4th gen and newer ) pn# TS3977EN
 
#637 ·
Apparently you did read the complete thread Most people doing the 6sp Allison swap using the GM TCM and BCM are interested in how the communication language work.There are several guys running this setup as a standalone I for one have over 30,000 miles on mine.
The MD system is much easier to get going by as you reading manuals.

Dale
 
#638 ·
Dale, actually the md3060 is more complex than the 1000 series, the shifting is electronic instead of mechanical, the key pad controls shifting, codes, you can get oil levels, shift modes...etc..... alot more wiring.
All i am saying is that the title to this thread " the complete allison info and swap guide " is far from complete as there is not concrete step by step "how to guide" to wire and do a conversion. saying use an allison tps or cat tps really doesnt help, how about part numbers...
all the wiring info and more is availlable in the allison 450 page manual and broken down into sections, at least there are concise wiring diagrams, its a relatively simple thing to do if there was a step by step wiring diagram for a stand alone unit, BUT no one who has a running truck is sharing that and it certainly is not in this thread... thats all i am saying. the mechanical end is easy..
 
#639 · (Edited)
I don't know how to tell you this without sounding like a dick, but your 3060 is NOTHING like the new 4th Gen Allisons. There are plenty of people that have done stand alone swaps like Mr. Dale, Matt Pitman, Scott and I and a lot of other people that don't share their swaps on the Internet. If you actually read the thread there is just about all the info you will need to do either a 3rd Gen (5 speed or 4th Gen (6 speed). Part numbers wiring and all. It might not be in order because of certain things coming up but its all there. I mean if we have to hold your hand and show you what pages each piece of info that you are looking for we might as well just do the install for you. This thread is about the Allison 1000 mainly using the GM stuff, not 2nd Gen old school 3060's.

The reason why this swap is so hard is because there are so many variables to make a completely computerized transmission that was designed to work behind a computerized motor work behind just any motor with out any input from the ECM. The only thing thing that the Allison 4th Gen needs really is a good TPS signal. It's pretty much stand alone by itself. The reason we are talking about what language the TCM and other ECM's uses is because it would be nice to let them talk for things like TPS, cruise control, defuel, etc through J1939. At least that is what I'd like on my setup. It's possible, but I think I will have to change my ECM to a MD, because there are no ECM communication files for a Dodge/Allison combo. I actually have J1939 hooked up from my 05 ECM to my TCM, but it's like they talk the same lingo, but they don't know what the address is so they can't send letters back and forth.

There are pros and cons for each setup. The GM setup you get tapshift, but have to wire in a BCM to get TH. Also I feel as the GM setup is meant for lower hp apps in the 400-500 hp MAX range. This is do to the tunability. With the 8.1 OS you have the CAT TPS that sends a TPS and Delivered Torque signal to the TCM. The max Delivered Torque that the CAT TPS will send is 450 ft-lbs. This causes a problem because the TCM uses DT for shift timing. So let's say you have 1000 ft-lbs at the flexplate and the TCM only sees 450 ft-lbs then you will have a flare, because it will shift slower. In the MD setup you don't have that problem because you can setup your torque table with CALCULATED TORQUE. I think Matt is around the 700 hp territory with the MD setup. Basically you tell the TCM what the engine is delivering at a certain RPM and TPS. Also the CAT TPS only shows a MAX 69% throttle. That's really no big deal, because you just set you shift points up to 69%.

The MD setup has TPS AUTO Relearn that resets the TPS calibration everytime you start the truck. The temporary solution for this is to turn the key on and hold the throttle to the floor for about 5 seconds then release then start the truck. The permanent solution would be to feed the TCM the maximum voltage of the TPS (100% throttle) through a time delay relay then when the relay switches off it goes back to the TPS.

Being that I have both the GM and MD swap on two different trucks I think the best setup for a complete standalone would be for Allison to make a MD CIN that has analog TPS with a controlled relearn and Tapshift along with the features it already has like exhaust brake, pto and TH. If TH is setup right there would be little reason to have TS, but it is a nice feature to have. It gives you just about complete control over the wide range of driving that anyone would go through.

So point is to read through THE WHOLE THREAD and maybe not criticize the thread that you are asking help on, because without this thread and the good people on it sharing info I would still be replacing POS gear vendors units instead of having a double overdrive Allison.
 
#641 ·
oxman, i thought i had read the whole thread, maybe i missed something, i would appreciate you pointing me to the part in the thread with tps part numbers, my problem is that i am trying to get my motorhome up and running asap as i depend on it for work. if i had time i would figure it out on my own as i hate to spend $1800 on a stand alone kit. i am doing a five speed, my gear ratio wont work for a six speed and its a big improvement over the old allison 643.
Destroked doesnt have many good reviews and they do not have a 5 speed kit in stock and are designing a new operating system for 5 and six speed, making me believe they had issues with the old program....i dont have one month to figure things out, do i want someone to hold my hand... NO, i was just hoping to find more usefull and concise info in one place. if all the answers were here, then so many people would not still have so many questions...! just stating my perspective, and those who do have a running truck did not get it done overnight, each one had trials and errors and redo's...
 
#642 ·
What tcm are you using for the 5 speed.
I have a 5sp.MD call no.that's for a A40 it also has tap shift and a secondary shift mode.
You can lock out 6 th gear in a MD cal.
Dale
 
#643 ·
I'll jump on the band wagon and reiterate the "read the whole thread" statement. All the part numbers and wiring information is in there, just not all in one place since we are talking about both 5 and 6 speed transmissions. Everyone does it a little different with the options: what engine, 2wd or 4X4, 5 or 6 speed, what trans adapter, intended use, trans modifications, need or want for tap shift and tow/haul, the list could continue. Most of all this stuff is covered in this thread somewhere.
 
#644 ·
The 2400 uses the same VB.you can use the same TCM as the 1000.

Dale
 
#645 · (Edited)
I think the CAT part numbers were posted more then once. I'm not going through this whole thread to get it for you when you know that it is in here, because we are telling you it's here. That's part of the reason this thread is so long, because people don't read and ask the same questions or the subject has already been covered. If you think you will get all the bugs out in less then a month you're sadly mistaken. I've had mine done for about 6 months now and the tuning is still not complete. It's just the nature of the beast. Doing any kind swap and expecting it to be done in the time frame you set is unrealistic.

The 8.1 setup I did for my buddy was in a 2000 7.3 F450. He originally bought all the destroked bs that I told him not to buy. He had it installed by a reputable transmission shop down here (I know the owner and is a good friend) and couldn't get the built trans to stop going into limp mode, TH never worked and Scott and his goons stopped helping the old man saying that everything worked flawlessly when he sent it back for testing. They make some nice adapters and other things, but the the Allison "turn key kits" are not one of them. I did a 8.1 setup for him using the info on this site and from verifying with Dale and Scott (not destroke). Believe me when I say the MD setup is way easier.
 
#648 ·
I joined today just to participate in this thread! Awesome amounts of very good info. I am kinda in information overload, but I think as I digest it things will be a bit clearer. What drove me here is the desire to put a 6 speed in my 97 Dodge 3500. Partially because I have a 2006 6 speed sitting on my shop floor right now!

Question I have for Max and maybe Dale or anyone else who has really gotten into the nuts and bolts of this, on the TPS, you have 2 inputs on the TCM, requested tq and delivered tq, right? You are wiring the tps to both circuits, but if you wanted a more accurate reading, would it be possible/realistic to rig up something to use Boost pressure as your delivered tq? I mean really your boost is the best reference to the load you have on the motor, particularly with a mechanical engine like mine.........
 
#651 ·
I thought of that also of using boost.But didn't have time for more experiment I'm willing to bet you would have to have the same kind of type of signal as the cat tps uses.

Dale
 
#652 ·
Also, anyone dealt with transmissiontuner.com ? I spoke with him on the phone he is using a MD TCM from a top kick / Kodiak application and claims to have Tow/Haul abilities. I don't care about tap shift I've rarely if ever found a real use for it. For my application I only care about T/H. No BCM needed.......

Only issue is going to be getting the VSS signal from my 97 which uses the weird electronic sensor on an actual speedo gear. I'm guessing we would have to mount a reluctor wheel and sensor the output on my 06 A1000 or maybe the factory abs sensor in the rear axle has a proper pulse? Anyone know?