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The complete Allison 1000/2000/2400 info and swap guide thread

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
I decided to start a thread devoted to this trans for a couple reasons. First off, there is a LOT, and I mean a LOT of misinformation out there. Second, there is little useful info for some basic specifications on these transmissions. Finally, a lot of guys think they are too complicated or too expensive, when in fact they are no more complicated or expensive than, say, a 4L80E or 48RE that is built to do the same thing. Since I have decided to swap a 1000 into my truck I have been heavily researching all the details. While I still don't have all the answers I want, I do have most that I need, and I figured why not consolidate this information somewhere to help out other folks who contemplate this swap. I think a lot of folks get turned off of an Ally swap simply because the information is sporadic and often contradictory.

With that said, my goal for this thread is to include as much FACTUAL INFORMATION as possible. If info is prefaced by "I think", "Supposedly", "I heard", "My friend said", etc. I don't consider it factual. I don't want a thread full of anecdotal information, but rather facts that people can use to make an informed decision and help them successfully complete a swap. ;) With that said, including unconfirmed info and opinions is fine as long as it is presented as such.

Also, when adding any information, make sure to specify what generation of Allison it belongs to. There is the pre-2004 5 speed, 04-05 5 speed, and 06-up 6 speed, with various revisions among the years. Try to be as specific as possible.

Anyway, with that said I will start with some basic info about the 1000/2000/2400 series.

GENERAL INFORMATION

The Allison 1000/2000/2400 series are torque converter driven, fully automatic transmissions with 5 or 6 forward speeds. 5th and 6th are overdrive gears, and the overall ratios are dependent on model. All have a neutral and reverse gear as well, and the 1000 and 2400 series have a park position which actuates an integral park pawl. The basic max ratings for this series of transmission is 300HP, 550lb-ft input torque without SEM/torque management, 620lb-ft input torque with SEM/torque management, and 850lb-ft turbine torque. These are the ratings published by Allison for MD on-road use. As we know, the ratings for GM pickups with the DMax are higher, but the GVW and duty cycle of a pickup are less than a Md truck, so Allison rates the trans conservatively. No doubt the software in the TCM has a huge impact on the amount of power the trans can really take. GVW and GCW ratings of the trans depends mainly on whether the unit has a park pawl (units with park pawl are rated lower). GVW varies from 19,500lbs for the 1000 series to 33,000lbs for units without park. GCW ranges from 26,000lbs to 33,000lbs. Complete ratings and specs can be found here.

The gear ratios for the various models are as follows:

..........1000..........2000/2400

  • 1st.....3.10...........3.51
  • 2nd....1.81...........1.90
  • 3rd.....1.41...........1.44
  • 4th.....1.00...........1.00
  • 5th.....0.71...........0.74
  • 6th.....0.61...........0.64 (06-up models only)
  • Rev.....4.49...........5.09

INTERNAL OPERATION

Internally, the transmissions have three planetary gear sets controlled by 5 sets of clutches, labeled C1-C5. 2 clutch packs (C1-C2) are rotating, and transfer input torque to certain elements in the planetary sets, while the remaining 3 sets (c3-C5) are stationary and lock each of the ring gears and their coupled components to the case when engaged. These transmissions contain no bands, sprags, or roller clutches - all gear changes are accomplished by direct clutch-to-clutch changes. Clutch engagements for each gear are as follows:

.............C1........C2........C3........C4........C5

  • Park..........................................................*
  • Rev.........................................................
  • Neu..........................................................*
  • 1st..........................................................
  • 2nd........................................................
  • 3rd.........................................................
  • 4th.........................................................
  • 5th.........................................................
  • 6th......................................................... (06-up models only)

VALVE BODY AND TRANSMISSION ELECTRICAL

Shifting is controlled electronically. The valve body contains 6 (03-earlier) or 7 (04-up) solenoids which control all functions. Solenoids A and B are "trim" solenoids that regulate the pressure on the oncoming and off-going clutches. both are pressure proportional to current (PPC) solenoids which operate at a frequency of 1KHz. Solenoid A is normally closed, providing full line pressure at zero current and zero pressure at 100% current. Solenoid B is normally open and provides zero pressure at zero current and full line pressure at 100% current. Solenoid A controls the oncoming and applied clutches while B controls the off-going clutch. In the event of a power or TCM failure solenoid, A will default to full pressure while B defaults to zero pressure, giving a limp-home capability. 04-up valve bodies incorporate a G solenoid which reduces the main line pressure by approximately 100psi during idle and low load operation, reducing heat generation. The F solenoid controls TCC apply and release. On 05-earlier models this is a PWM solenoid operating at 100Hz, while 06-up use a PPC solenoid operating at 1KHz.

Shifting is controlled by 3 normally closed solenoids, C, D, and E. These solenoids are strictly binary, applying either full line pressure or exhaust to its associated spool valve. The logical combination of these 3 valves determines which clutches are applied. Contrary to what some believe, the solenoids do not directly operate the clutches. The spools and solenoids are arranged so that each shift change will exhaust the off-going clutch via the solenoid B path while applying pressure to the oncoming clutch via the solenoid A pressure. Because of this, shifts must be sequential - the transmission will not skip gears when upshifting or downshifting. It also means that it is not possible to apply random sets of clutches, although it is possible that the unused solenoid combinations could create a non-valid clutch condition (i.e. C2 and C5 applied) which would create a lockup. There have been anecdotes of aftermarket controllers applying all 5 clutch packs while at speed, but I don't believe it is possible to apply more than 2 clutches with the arrangement of valving in the VB. That is not confirmed, however...

Here are the solenoid combos for the various gears:

.............C...........D...........E
  • Park.............................*
  • Rev................................
  • Neu..............................*
  • 1st.....................*.............
  • 2nd.................................. (If power is lost or TCM is inoperative, this is the limp mode gear)
  • 3rd.......*..........................
  • 4th.................................
  • 5th...................................*
  • 6th ???????????????????? (Don't have info for this....)

The VB also contains a pressure switch assembly which gives feedback to the TCM on which solenoids are engaged. The PSA also houses the trans temp sensor, which is a negative temperature coefficient thermistor. All VB electricals are passed through the case using a standard GM 20-pin connector, identical to the one used on the late 4l60Es and 4L80Es. Looking at the connector in the trans, starting with the upper left and working left to right, top to bottom, the pins are labeled A-W, with the letters I, O, and Q not used. The pin assignments and color codes of the INTERNAL wiring harness for 5-speed models are as follows:

  • A - Dk Green - Shift Solenoid C
  • B - Orange/Black - Shift Solenoid D
  • C - Pink - Power to shift solenoids C, D, and E
  • D - Lt Green - PSA terminal A
  • E - Red - PSA terminal C
  • F - Blue - PSa terminal B
  • G - Orange - PSA terminal E
  • H - Black - PSA terminal F
  • J - Brown - TCC solenoid F
  • K - Tan - PSA terminal D
  • L - Red/Black - Trim Solenoid A
  • M - Lt Blue - Trim Solenoid A
  • N - Gray - Trim Solenoid B
  • P - Purple - Trim Solenoid B
  • R - ????? - Line Pressure Solenoid G (04-up only)
  • S - Black - TCC Solenoid F
  • T - Tan - PSA terminal F
  • U - Green - IC to terminal V
  • V - Green - IC to terminal U
  • W - Black/Tan - Shift Solenoid E

For 6-speed models, the internal connections are as follows (no color codes - sorry:

  • A - Shift solenoid C
  • B - Shift solenoid D
  • C - Shift solenoid E
  • D - PSA terminal A
  • E - PSA terminal C
  • F - PSA terminal B
  • G - PSA terminal E
  • H - PSA terminal F, IMS terminal F
  • J - TCC solenoid F
  • K - PSA terminal D
  • L - Trim solenoid A, TCC solenoid F, main pressure solenoid G
  • M - Trim solenoid A
  • N - Trim solenoid B, shift solenoids C, D, and E
  • P - Trim solenoid B
  • R - IMS terminal A
  • S - Main pressure solenoid G
  • T - IMS terminal E
  • U - IMS terminal D
  • V - IMS terminal C
  • W - IMS terminal B

Other electrical components include 3 (05-earlier GM apps) or 2 (06-up GM apps) variable reluctance speed sensors and an NSBU (Neutral Start back-Up) switch (05-earlier) or IMS (Internal Mode Switch - 06-up). The first speed sensor is in the bell housing and gets its signal from the pump vane ribs in the converter housing. On 6-speed GM apps, the bell housing speed sensor is deleted, and the TCM instead gets engine speed information from the ECM via the GMLAN bus. The second sensor is the turbine speed sensor in the main housing, and pics up off of either the PTO gear or a stamped steel tone ring that replaces the PTO gear in units without a PTO option. Finally, 2WD transmissions have an output speed sensor in the output housing that reads off of a 40-tooth tone ring on the output shaft. 4WD models use the speed sensor and 40 tooth tone ring in the transfer case tail housing. 4WD models have a switch input to notify the TCM that 4Lo mode is engaged, and the TCM makes appropriate compensation for the TC low gear ratio.

The NSBU switch on the 01-02 5 speeds is essentially identical to that used on the 4L60Es. There are 2 receptacles on the NSBU. The 4-pin gives the TCM information regarding the gear selected, while the 7-pin accesses switches are used for P-N starter lockout and backup lights. The 4-pin receptacle's pins are marked A, B, C, and D. Depending on the shift position selected, a combination of 2 of these pins will be grounded. Here's the table, with the grounded pins marked with an asterisk:

.............A...........B...........C.........D
  • P.................................................
  • R................................................
  • N...............................................
  • D................................................
  • 3...................................................
  • 2................................................
  • 1...............................................

Since only 2 terminals or no terminals (in the case of 3rd) are valid combinations, the TCM can sometimes determine if there is a wiring or switch malfunction. The standard wiring color codes and their connection to the TCM J2 connector for the 4-pin receptacle are as follows:

  • A - Blue - pin 5
  • B - Gray - pin 7
  • C - White - pin 8
  • D - Yellow - pin 6

NOTE: On GM pickups, these wires go to the ECM, which then buffers and feeds them to the TCM. On stand-alone apps, they will be wired directly to the TCM. This is a helpful bit of info for those modding a GM pickup harness ;)

The 7-pin connector on the NSBU has pins labeled A-G, and their corresponding wire colors and assignments are as follows:

  • A - Not used
  • B - Tan - Park Accessory
  • C - Blue - Rev/Park Accessory fuse
  • D - Green - TCM analog ground (TCM J2 connector, pin 20)
  • E - Yellow - Park/neutral start battery feed
  • F - Pink - backup lamps
  • G - Orange - Starter relay

03-05 models used a very similar NSBU switch assembly, except they have a single connector that contains all the pins, rather than 2 separate connectors.

06-up 6-speed transmissions no longer use an external NSBU switch. The external switches were prone to failure caused by internal corrosion due to exposure to water. The park and reverse accessory and backup lamp switch functions were moved to the column. Park/neutral and gear selector position info on these transmissions is done with an internal mode switch (IMS) mounted on the rooster comb inside the transmission. Its functions are brought out through the 20-pin connector on the transmission (see above). The F pin on the IMS is common, and depending on position one or more of the remaining pins will be switched to the F pin. Pin A is connected to the ECM, and is used to notify it that the transmission is in either park or neutral, thus allowing the engine to be cranked. The final 4 (B-E) are connected directly to the TCM and tell it what range is selected, NOTE; On GM trucks, the PRNDL is labeled P-R-N-D-M-1, with only those 6 positions available via the column shifter. However, the transmission itself has 7 positions internally - the last position is simply not used in GM vehicles, and the travel is limited in the column shifter so a GM vehicle cannot physically shift into the last position. However, a DIY shifter setup WILL be able to shift into that last position unless it is likewise limited (i.e. using a 3-speed floor shifter rather than a 4-speed floor shifter).

Note that these pin assignments are those of the switch itself, NOT the 20-pin external connector. Refer to the external pinout description above for the 6-speed to find the external pins connected to these internal pins.

............A............B............C............D............E
  • P....................................*.............................
  • R..................................................................
  • N.................................................*...............
  • D..................................................................
  • 3...............................................................
  • 2..................................................................
  • 1..................................................................

Information continued in later posts.
 
#729 ·
Ok I am in the process of reading this thread from beginning to end...so much information. But in the mean time I am working on a project. I am building a microprocessor that will take the input from the dodge apps sensor I am using for my swap and split it into a pwm tps signal for the tcm and an analog 5v tps signal for the ecm. The goal for this is to be able to implement the sem for the Allison to extend clutch life. What I need to know is what kind of a signal (ground, 5v, hexadecimal) the tcm supplies, and what kind of response it needs to see, in order to program the microprocessor to modulate the tps signal to the engine by 50%. The tranny I'm using is an 02 Allison. I do not have a tcm picked out yet but the success of this project will likely determine what setup I go with. Eventually the microprocessor will also manage the task of cruise control.
 
#730 ·
I just wanted to add some valuable info based on my experience with this conversion. After talking to the people at cumminsallisonconversions and trying unsuccessfully to get a hold of Howard's I have decided to go with Jason at transmissiontuner.com. He is very knowledgeable, easy to get a hold of and work with, and he was straight up with me when I told him what I was trying to accomplish. He is building me a 5 speed setup with an md cal that is actually tunable in a non gm tcm. The advantage of using a non gm tcm is that if I decide to upgrade to a 6 speed in the future all I have to do is add the wiring for 6th gear and swap out computers rather than doing a full rework on the harness. I am incredibly picky when it comes to the parts I choose for my swap because I plan to drive this truck for the next 20+ years and Jason is the best in the field when it comes to transmission control. Also, for what it's worth, Kerry at Americanhotrodsolutions.com carries the billet Cummins to gm Allison adapter for the best price out there and their customer service is amazing. I was extremely satisfied with my purchase there. Got the engine and tranny all bolted up and stuffed in the engine bay. Waiting for next weekend so I can build some motor mounts and mock up the plumbing.
 
#731 ·
The folks at Cummins Allison Conversions have pretty much rubbed me about as wrong as you can. I emailed them about an engine adapter kit and a tcase adapter kit they have for the NP241, as they have no pricing on the website. They emailed me 1500 for the engine adapter, 2000 for the wiring harness (I never asked about a harness, I'm using Jason's) and asked me if I needed a price on a converter. Well they sent another email pushing the adapter plate for 1450. When I explained that I have the harness covered and am having my converter built locally by the company that builds all of my converters. Through all these emails I continued to steer in the direction of the t case adapter. When they asked me who's harness I was using I got a very odd email.

"We are not comfortable just selling you the transfer case adapter, sorry; I know that may seem unusual to you, but it sounds as if you are trying to find the least expensive route to go rather than perhaps the best route to go, piecing various components together from different suppliers and we are uncomfortable with that.

Not every customer is a good fit for every manufacturer, we try very hard not to set a customer up to be unsuccessful
"

Wait, what? I'm going to be unsuccessful because I am not using strictly their overpriced stuff? Yeah, ok.......

Jason has been awesome to deal with thus far, and I haven't even purchased from him yet. I'm getting close though. I'm formulating a complete plan so when the truck goes under the knife its not down for an extended amount of time.

What I really need to figure out, is how to modify the factory 97 dodge shifting mechanism to operate the 2006 Allison shifting lever.
 
#732 ·
So... I am up and running. Bt-6 from 1996 with a Allison 2100 Mh Behind it. Been testrunning for about 5 weeks now and it seems to work out fine. Since i never drove a veichle with an allison transmission Before I have some questions. in 4-5 and 6 th gear it "freewheels" when I let go off the accelerator. Is that normal?
 
#733 ·
Oh Lordi! I went to SEMA just looking for Allison control system. Found one: 'Cummins Allison Conversions'. I bought the whole package! I was very pacific, output shaft-32 spline, 1 3/8" OD. I get the 'package' and the output shaft is 1.790"OD. The flange for the e-brake is all different.
So, now I'm looking for an e-brake assy that will work with what Mr. Murphy sent me!
 
#735 ·
I need some help I have an 03 GMC with an 8.1 gas I need a trans do to overheat during towing. I found one from an 05 with a Dmax, does anyone know what the exact difference is with the electronics or can point me in the right direction? I want to know for sure before I buy this trans and find out it won't work. Thanks for any input.
 
#737 ·
Hey guys new here an first allison swap. First off i want to thank everyone for the incredible load of info. I have a questions i'm doing a stand alone harness for an 8.1 an allison from an 01 chevy 3500. the only wire i'm unsure of is pin 30 on j1 (gray). i'm using diagrams i found online different places so they could be right or wrong. Does pin 30 get spliced back into the serial data 2 from the ecm? on my pcm pin out (blue) 58 is pcm serial data (OBD2 plug) an 59 just says class 2 serial data? thanks ahead of time for any help or thoughts.
 
#738 ·
Hey everyone thanks for the great info in this thread. Can anyone tell me the resistance needed for the circuit with the zener diode for the cat TPS sensor? I've been all over this thread and I can't find specifics on the resistors. Right now I have a 4.7v 1/2 watt Zener diode wired in parallel with the signal and ground and 96 Ohms worth of 1/2 watt resistors in series before the diode and the TCM is not seeing the signal at either pin (9 or 16 on J1). The signal looks good voltage wise - it never goes above 4 volts. The TCM is from an 8.1 gas motor and the PIDs for delivered torque and TPS signal are active in EFI live. This is all in a C5500 Topkick that had a duramax and a 5 speed allison that I swapped with a mechanical cummins engine. Right now I'm having P0708 Range Switch High Voltage code. I swapped the NSBU and now Im getting the P0708 code plus a code for delivered torque signal, which is at least some kind of progress regarding the TPS signal. Any pointers would be highly appreciated. Thanks!
 
#739 ·
I apologize for posting again, I can't view the TPS to TCM schematic on post #95. Can anyone view that image? I fried my Cat TPS sensor, it puts out 10v all the time now. I tried a 7.3 powerstroke TPS but it didnt work either so I am going to try another cat TPS sensor but I don't want to fry another one. I really need a view of that TPS to TCM schematic or info on how to wire the zener diode and resistors if anyone is still following this thread that can help it would mean a lot. Thanks guys
 
#740 · (Edited)
I finally got the transmission to shift! This info is for anyone working with a 5 speed and AL5 allison TCM. You don't need a diode on the TPS signal wire at all. You can power your TPS with pin 17 of J1 which is 5 volts. Then tie the signal wire into pins 9 and 16 of J1. Initially I had an AL5 TCM from a 2001 8.1 van that would not read the TPS no matter what. I tried it with a TCM from a 2003 8.1 pickup and it worked right away. I ended up swapping those TCMs. The van TCM runs the pickup fine but when I tried to flash the pickups cal file onto the van TCM, EFI live told me there was an OS mismatch. The topkick hits all gears but I need to adjust shift points to get into high gear better, it is currently hanging in 3rd too long. Thanks again to everyone that contributed to this thread especially MaxPF and thank you to 4BTswaps.com for keeping this info available after all these years.
 
#741 ·
I hope this question has not been addressed. I have enjoyed reading through this forum, but, to be honest, my head is spinning a bit. Are there different gear ratios available in the 2000? or can they be changed? I would like first and second gears to be a bit lower, say 4.x and 2.x I want to put it in a school bus with a 6bt. I like the high 6th gear for highway driving but want something with more power at the low end
 
#743 ·
Hi Guys,
Just got my hands on an Allison 2000 series here in the UK, while im waiting for the pallet to turn up I thought I would ask on here for advice on transmission controllers.
So seeing as this thread has been going for years, what are the current options to control a 6 speed MD Allison?
And I would love to hear some feedback from people using each controller set up?
So far I know of Transmission Tuner and Destroked.
 
#744 · (Edited)
Hi another rap for Jason at transmissiontuner.com, I'm running a 6 speed Allison behind a 12 valve 6BT in an OKA 4wd camper/motorhome and he made me up a harness and TCM to suit. It works very well and he has been very helpful and has gone out of his way to help sort out any problems I encountered along the way. I'm in Australia so knowledge on this side of the pond is sketchy at times and he has been great to talk and email to when any problems arose.
 
#745 ·
i got a few questions,

i have a 2001 c6500 with a cat 3126. it currently has a eaton 6 speed transmission. i want to convert it to a 2400 allison automatic. did all of the 2400 series come with a pto gear? can i take my pto off my eaton and put it on the allison?

i chose the 2400 becuse its MD rated and has a park prawl. not 100% sure what shifter i could use,

this is the transmission i am looking to get




id really like a floor shifter. just not sure if any of these shifters had the part position as it may of been the colum shifters that had park. but this is what i am looking at



as long as there is enough gear positions i am sure i can figure out the nutural saftey switch position and relabel the gears.

id obviously need to find/make a trans computer harness and get a computer.

my only concern is do i have to worry about the rear end gear ratio?

this is a tow truck, i dont expect it to be super fast. just want some comfortable city driving. i snapped 2 clutch cables a bad times. i really want automatic.
 
#748 ·
Hi guys, I hope someone can answer my questions...

Here's my situation: I bought a complete swap out of a 2002 freightliner school bus, it's a Cummins with an Allison 2000. When it was time to work on the project, I realized that the guy forgot to keep the TCM and wiring harness between the TCM and bulkhead. According to the bus shop, the TCM number should be 29542725 and harness A06-36329-000.

1- does any TCM with this number will be compatible or does it need a reprog?

2- would the standalone work for me? If yes how much would it cost?

3- according to the wiring diagram, it looks like all the sensors and controls are in the red connector, if I need to make a custom harness, will it work without the grey part? Wiring shows some ABS stuff..

Thanks a lot, I hope I can make it work.
 
#750 ·
I have an 2007 gmc 3500hd truck. Last night I was hauling my gooseneck trailer loaded with logs out of a very unleveled, dirt road. I got my trailer hung up, gave it hell to get it unstuck and I smelt something for a sec and now my truck will only go into reverse. When I put it into Drive the indicator light flashes sometimes and the truck revs up but won't go anywhere. Today I changed fluid and filters. One of the filters were actually broken. After putting new ones in, the truck didn't seem to have any change. Then one time I got it to move in drive until I turned it off and back on. I'm in Nebraska right now trying to get back to Minnesota so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance!!
 
#751 ·
Hey Everyone,

I have been searching for some detail on a transmission swap.

I have a 2001 ISB with an AT-545. I despise the AT-545 and want to swap it for a 2000. I have a reasonable understanding of the mechanical aspect but have not found any good info regarding tying the 2000 TCM into the J1708/J1939 bus.


Can you all recommend a resource with details on the electronic side of this swap?

I have 2000's available at a reasonable price but they are from DT-466e rigs. Would the existing tune/programing be usable ? Or would I need to flash a CIN from an ISB?

Thank you.
 
#754 ·
Hey Everyone,

I have been searching for some detail on a transmission swap.

I have a 2001 ISB with an AT-545. I despise the AT-545 and want to swap it for a 2000. I have a reasonable understanding of the mechanical aspect but have not found any good info regarding tying the 2000 TCM into the J1708/J1939 bus.


Can you all recommend a resource with details on the electronic side of this swap?

I have 2000's available at a reasonable price but they are from DT-466e rigs. Would the existing tune/programing be usable ? Or would I need to flash a CIN from an ISB?

Thank you.
I would highly recommend Jason from transmissiontuner.com He knows his stuff and is a good communicator and a gentleman to deal with. Pete.
 
#752 ·
Ok after sitting down and reading all 38 pages of this I think I know what I am up against. Here is what I am working on. I have a International DTA360 that has a tired AT545 transmission behind it. I have found a Allison 2000 out of a school bus locally. Went on the Allison website and confirmed that it does indeed have a SAE#3 Bell housing on it and has the TC221 Torque Converter. Its wiring harness has been hacked but all of the transmission specific ends are still in their respective sensors etc...list of what I beleive I will need to make this transmission operate behind my engine is:
1: GM 8.1 Flashed TCM w/BCM so that I can enable the T/H mode
2: Cat TPS
3: EFI Live (what version though)
4: New custom wiring harness w/ OBD port to tune with EFI live
Am I correct if not what am I missing?