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Defueling has everything to do with EFI's limitations for an 08 Cummins "ECM". For some reason he can't get into that part of the Cummins ECM in order to communicate with the 6 speed TCM.
I'm not going to argue the matter. The 6 speed TCM and Cummins ECM will not communicate because their CAN busses operate at different speeds. It has nothing to do with EFI Live.
 
I'm not going to argue the matter. The 6 speed TCM and Cummins ECM will not communicate because their CAN busses operate at different speeds. It has nothing to do with EFI Live.
Max I'm far from arguing. You are well more versed on this subject then me. I'm just sharing what was told to me. Is it possible that the newer (08 and up) Cummins ECM is on the same speed as the Ally TCM, because he is feeding the TCM the stock Dodge pedal and rpm from the ECM?
 
I just got the truck back on the Friday morning have to get it inspection and licensed.Do some fine tuning on the Allison will keep everyone updated.


Dale
 
Why are you using the MD controller.The only none GM part I'm using is the cat TPS and EFI

Dale
 
I tried using the 8.1 controller and Cat TPS. I wasn't able to get a good TPS response throughout the pedal range. Also, when watching TPS, I noticed there was no reading with the key on, engine off. That tells me that the TCM is not seeing TPS. The fact that I could see TPS while the engine was running says what i was actually seeing is CALCULATED TPS. I unplugged TPS, and verified that it still showed a TPS value when the engine was running. So I tried a Duramax TCM. Similar results. The tcm would 'calculate' engine torque. The MD controller (A41 controller, looks identical to the GM) reads a 0-5 volt TPS with no problems. Tuning it took about ten minutes and it shifts as well as a factory tcm. I was surprised! A little tweaking on the TCC apply and release, and ramp rate...that was it.
So you have it shifting like a duramax (TC unlocking when you coast)? Does it have provisions for another tune at the push of a button like towhaul? I wonder if a Dodge pedal could be fed into the TCM?
 
Yes, the TC unlocks during 0% throttle. I had to adjust the ramp rate of the TCC when you tipped back into the throttle...the TCC was pretty abrupt the way the tune is factory.

One of the biggest reasons for running the MD controller (again, it's the same controller as GM, just different OS and Cal.) is the fact that you can get an Allison behind a Cummins. Therefore, the shift timing is set up for the Cummins RPM range already. Granted, out of the box the MD controller shifts pretty rough in a light duty app., and the downshifts were so harsh I was afraid of breaking parts- especially the 4-3 downshift...would chirp DRW's. I even tried the Duramax PCM. Using it to supply throttle position to the TCM. All the GM systems can be made to work, but even with hours of tuning, they didn't work as well as the MD and less than an hour's worth of tuning. I have ordered a second TCM, and will flash the same tune in it and verify the results. The downside to the MD is loss of tap shift. In my opinion, this is not needed. Even when towing...that's what the tow/haul function is for.

What year of Dodge pedal are you considering? 05+?
Man that is great news thanks fo sharing. I agree TH is all I need. I would give up TS for TH any day. Can you lock out 6th gear with TH or maybe when you put it in TH it won't shift to 6th?

I have a twin turbo 05 Cummins using the 05 pedal in a 03 F550 with a NV5600 right now. What wiring harness did you use?
 
We don't use the Ford system to run cruise control. Well, I should restate that: We don't use the Ford cruise that came equipped on that year of truck. We use an older Ford cruise servo. We feed it VSS from the Ford PCM (or ABS) and change the resistors in the steering wheel. The cable from this cruise module is either run to the TPS on a Common Rail 5.9, or we make a bracket to pull the 05+ APPS. Have done this setup on dozens of Ford/Cummins conversions. Works perfectly.
I'm using the Dodge CC buttons and it works like factory. Here's a link to my build thread.

http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/c...ion/371248-2003-f-550-ford-cummins-6-0-torqshift-2005-ctd-nv5600-lots-pics.html
 
I have to tap the key to just engage the starter so the TCM will energize.Then I have TPS reading without motor running.
I need to get EFI myself I have to wait for someone else to have the time to readjusting setting.

Dale
 
Class 2 serial data, I don't know if that is "two way data" or not. I'm pretty sure that OBD protocol is the same across all manufacturer platforms. But I don't know how to separate what you need out of the data stream, or if the refresh rate is high enough to do what you want with it. -Chuck
 
After some research, there are a variety of OBD 2 protocols used by various manufacturers. This company http://elmelectronics.com/obdic.html makes communication adapters used in hand held scanners that I think might be able to be used to make two different manufacturer OBD 2 protocols talk to each other. The Elm chips convert various SAE OBD protocols to RS232 so a laptop or PIC can interpret the data. If we get the correct two chips for what we want to talk to each other and then connect the RS232 ends together, that should allow different manufacturer ECM / TCM to talk. We are converting the different languages to a common language. The chips are rather cheap, <$20 each. For those with electronic engines this might be something to look into. I don't know much more about the electronics than what I've said here, just enough to be dangerous. Since I'm trying to run a mechanical engine, I was actually trying to find a microcontroller that would take TPS output values and convert them to OBD 2 data and broadcast constantly. I'm not convinced that feeding the TCM managed torque values from a TPS is the proper way to make everything work.
 
Your always coming up with something new.
Going to try to make some mad money to get my own EFI my daughter has a old laptop.
Dale
 
I mean to get EFI so I can tune my Allison myself and not have to bother anybody else.
I will admit it I'm not smart enough to come up with one for 03 to 05
Dale
 
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