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What is the reason for wanting to make a 6sp vb to 5sp

Dale
 
Simplifying my install. I have an 06 and the 5 spd vb are more expensive than what I have into my tranny swap project. Just looking for options vs this extensive work being done to make the 6 spds work. Not being very computer savvy the 5 spd is pushing my electronics knowledge. Plus I'd like to keep this build using as many "off the shelf parts as possible for ease of repair purposes.


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Not too much speed. Just wondering if an existing 6 speed valve body can be outfitted like a 5 speed valve body. In other words put 3rd gen electronics in a valve body out of 4th gen? Are the later 3rd gen valve bodies interchangeable with 4th gen valve bodies? Electronics aside, what are the differences between the valve bodies the throughout the production years?


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New gen Allison 6 speeds --- Anyone tried one yet?

I am still early in the build stage but got the word from Stewart & Stevenson that the newest double OD 6 speeds can be mated to a 4bt and work with nothing more than a TPS. Makes for a much simpler install than all the wiring & programming needed for earlier units. I bought a new 2200MH and I'm in the process of installing the engine/tranny package right now and really hoping they know their beans. Still looking for a complete shifter but have a couple of leads. The tranny is so new I haven't had any luck sourcing the shifter at wrecking yards...so far.

Just curious if anyone else is trodding this new ground.
 
I have an 06 chevy duramax six speed behind a 12 valve that I am building but I'm not far enough on the build that I am ready for a controller yet. I am interested in seeing what you come up with. The tap shift feature is what I am most interested in having function but it seems like its a bunch of work using the gm programming to get it to work. It seems the allison medium duty system works ok and is simpler to get up and running but it lacks the tap shift feature and doesnt allow for any tuning.
 
I think terry735001 is trying to say maybe the chassis control module may be able to convert our TPS values into GM LAN to speak directly to the TCM (as a TPS input, not as a "managed torque" input like we have it set up). I briefly looked into those after he posted, couldn't really find too much out about them (wasn't trying very hard). Maybe he could post a wiring diagram so we could see what goes into and out of the module? -Chuck
update so its in here

chassis control module may be able to convert our TPS values into GM LAN to speak directly to the TCM

this was a no go i started installing the 8.1l/allison over the weekend and found the info i was looking for but this may help some one else

TAC module 12588924 hard to find and 12570803 12573060 12589843 are even harder to find but this setup can have 30 feet of wire in the line from the TAC to the ECM for RVs
you can find all day long 12588923 but not sure if it well work for this but this is from the TAC to ECM only not TCM to Pedal
that info could help some one making a gen setup /LP where you need to run the moter 30 feet or more away

that is why i could not find the TAC no where around the motor and thinking / said what i did in the posts befor

all so some thing that may help 12588924 12570803 12573060 12589843 are setup for high GVW and well not pop a MIL / engine light this well help any one doing a mood but when trying to run with cruise control pops the MIL / engine light as the truck / is not getting up to speed to slow/fast as this happens when we get are TAC/Pedal from LT trucks and cars

i am sorry and know this dos not have much to do with allison but has some helpful info on 8.1s and any one adding it to a allison
 
Great new we got the problems figured out with the harsh 4 to 3 closed throttle downshift and smoothed out the rest of the upshifts also.Pretty much everyone ws telling me that it was my tuning that I was doing.So we tried another TCM from a medium duty 6 speed did the exactly the same problems.Friday I put a stock VB in replacement of mine.Saturday took the truck out for test drive.i felt like I have won the lottery trans shifted just like if I was driving a duramax smooth on all upshifts and down shifts like in tow haul because the torque converter looks up in 2nd gear.each time it down shift was perfect.
We found the problem with my VB one of the shift kit valves the ball wasn't in the valve.It was in the valvebody port just below the valve got everything put back in its place and back in the trans.Test drove it yesterday all shift great.Mine shifts are alittle firmer and I like that better.I still don't have TH but at this point don't really care tap shift working good to.
I would definitely recommend the Allison for transmission swap.

Dale
 
Discussion starter · #529 ·
Great new we got the problems figured out with the harsh 4 to 3 closed throttle downshift and smoothed out the rest of the upshifts also.Pretty much everyone ws telling me that it was my tuning that I was doing.So we tried another TCM from a medium duty 6 speed did the exactly the same problems.Friday I put a stock VB in replacement of mine.Saturday took the truck out for test drive.i felt like I have won the lottery trans shifted just like if I was driving a duramax smooth on all upshifts and down shifts like in tow haul because the torque converter looks up in 2nd gear.each time it down shift was perfect.
We found the problem with my VB one of the shift kit valves the ball wasn't in the valve.It was in the valvebody port just below the valve got everything put back in its place and back in the trans.Test drove it yesterday all shift great.Mine shifts are alittle firmer and I like that better.I still don't have TH but at this point don't really care tap shift working good to.
I would definitely recommend the Allison for transmission swap.

Dale
Glad to hear it Dale!
 
How have you been.Glad see your back.My truck is really enjoyable to drive now.Trans is more responsive to small adjustments to tuning.I can't believe how much quicker the Allison as made the truck run.Have been having some fun with other trucks finally.
now I need to find out why I can't get TH.The switch is working.Wiring is good good signal to bcm.Got the ignition wire hooked to BCM still no difference.
I have towed our 32ft box trailer loaded with pulling truck and tow around rig grossing 24.000lb âž• the way I have Drive mode tuned I don't really need TH and tapshift works sweet so TH isn't on my top of the list of to do's.Open to all suggestions.Just remembered the BCM is from a Duramax not a 8.1.So does it need to be flashed for 8.1?


Dale
 
Hello eveybody! I got a 73 Travco Rv that I am going to fit a 96 BT-6 in. This thread made me take the step to get a 2100 MH
six speed from Ebay with a push button shifter and trans ECM.This came from a workhorse 8,1 gas pusher setup.I am not
shure what year model it is as it on a boat to make it here to Sweden. As I understand from these posts I will basicly need a
TPS? What more do I need?
Thanks for a great thread.
 
Needed advise

I want to run Allison 1000, 6 speed, 2011 as manual transmission with stand alone TCM
The motor is GM L96

Other question on the Allison, if I want to replace the internal pump so it will be electrical (for low RPM usage), how can I do it?
Please advise

Thanks
Ami
 
Discussion starter · #534 ·
How have you been.Glad see your back.My truck is really enjoyable to drive now.Trans is more responsive to small adjustments to tuning.I can't believe how much quicker the Allison as made the truck run.Have been having some fun with other trucks finally.
now I need to find out why I can't get TH.The switch is working.Wiring is good good signal to bcm.Got the ignition wire hooked to BCM still no difference.
I have towed our 32ft box trailer loaded with pulling truck and tow around rig grossing 24.000lb âž• the way I have Drive mode tuned I don't really need TH and tapshift works sweet so TH isn't on my top of the list of to do's.Open to all suggestions.Just remembered the BCM is from a Duramax not a 8.1.So does it need to be flashed for 8.1?


Dale
I'm guessing that is the case. That, or the BCM needs some other input...
 
I drew up a wiring diagram of all the components and the circuits between them and have a question. My 06 duramax 6 speed has a 20 pin plugin and the connector that plugs into the trans is labeled A through T. On post # 50 is a wiring diagram for a 6 speed trans and on the tcm connector it lists #34 terminal going to trans W, #53 to trans U, and #73 to trans V. Since i dont have those pins on my 20 pin connector, do they need to be hooked up anywhere? The wiring diagram says they go to IMS A, B, P.

Mike
 
Discussion starter · #536 ·
I drew up a wiring diagram of all the components and the circuits between them and have a question. My 06 duramax 6 speed has a 20 pin plugin and the connector that plugs into the trans is labeled A through T. On post # 50 is a wiring diagram for a 6 speed trans and on the tcm connector it lists #34 terminal going to trans W, #53 to trans U, and #73 to trans V. Since i dont have those pins on my 20 pin connector, do they need to be hooked up anywhere? The wiring diagram says they go to IMS A, B, P.

Mike
I have never seen a 20 pin connector labeled A through T. They have all been A through W, with I, O, and Q omitted, like this:

__A_B_C_D__
E_F_G_H_J_K
L_M_N_P_R_S
__T_U_V_W__
 
Hmm, my letters were very hard to read, I was finally able to make out the top row of letters and from there I "ASS" umed I knew the lettering on the rest of them. I had 3 power reading glasses and a nice bright light and still had a hard time identifying them. Thanks for the quick reply!! Now I can go back and fix my mistake.

Mike
 
Question for MaxPF. Found an Allison 2000 trans. Will it work for my application?

I have a 1995 Chevy 3500HD with the 4L80E trans with drum bake. This truck came with the 6.5 diesel and 4.63 Dana 80 rear end. I want to repower it with a 12 valve Cummins and an Allison trans. I have found an Allison out of a 2001 GMC 6500 that was coupled to a Cat 3126 diesel. I need a trans with the drum brake on it and this does. Would this be a good option? It has an SAE bell housing although I am unsure which one. Can the Allison handle towing in overdrive in a truck that continually grosses about 30K pounds? If so, would I be better finding a 6 speed or am I looking at a rear gear change? Is the 5 speed any easier integrating into my truck electronic wise that a 6 speed? I have so many questions, I wish I could talk to you! Thank you for your reply!
 
Anybody know how to get a speed signal from pin 25 on an allison MD tcm?? I've tried every way I can figure, and it just seems dead. Also EFI live will not calibrate my TCM it says TCU Map not supported, so I'm kinda in the dark about what's going on inside and what options may or may not be enabled. Still working on getting my copy of Allison DOC working.
 
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