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I'm looking for dimensions of the Alison 1000 and the RH47.

Presently have the Alison (bought from MaxPF here on the forum) behind an ISB 170 3.9L for a project. Having issues with it being so large, so I need to consider other options, like the RH47. The goal is to stuff it all in a 1932 Ford pick up, but the rear gear train, and the diameter of the transmission is proving to be troublesome.

Not the right thread, but if anyone has a source for ISB 170 upgrades, or someone to work on the computer, let me know.

John
 
Are you talking about a 47re? If so the bellhousing is a tad bit bigger then a SAE3. The rest of the trans I don't know, but you could do so surgery and mod the trans tunnel to fit the Allison. Or see if you have room to drop the motor down a little more.
 
47rh

No, I'm asking about the 1996 - 2002 Dodge tranny not the electronic one that came later.

My main issue is the diameter of the body of the Allison 1000. I have the motor and tranny dropped down and forward as much as possible, but the remaining foot well is pretty narrow. But I do also have an SAE3 bellhousing issue if I go with a different transmission. Looking at both automatics and stick at this point to see if there are better options for me. Issue with stick, is then I'm adding a pedal and even though the diameter of the tranny is smaller, it makes more foot well issues.

John
 
Tranny

Yes, I'll be creating a new tunnel. The issue is the total width of the cab vs the total width of the transmission. Once it's in there, there will be little room for a foot well. The truck will be highly modified, but there's still only so much room to deal with.
 
I want to convert a vintage 40s era rear engine touring coach from a spicer 4 spd to an Allison 2100MH. engine is the 401 Magnum big V6 gas engine and is configured with an SAE 3 flywheel housing. GCW is approx. 23,500. rough measurements indicate the driveshaft u joint centers will be approx 6 inches with a slight side offset to the pinion yoke. anybody have thoughts as to what an acceptable angle would be on a short driveshaft? in the horizontal plane the trans yoke and pinion yoke are pretty close. is there any rule of thumb in determining acceptable angles? thanks.
 
What is the difference between a GM Allison and a truck Allison?

I wish to fit an Allison 5 speed tranny to my motorhome behind a full mechanical Cummins 6BT. Looking at a GM/Allison and a truck Allison to me they look the same physically except for the different bellhousing pattern.
Are there any other differences? Internally?
Will a GM Allison work with the truck Allison controller?
My reason for these questions is that here in Australia GM Allisons are much more common than truck Allison's plus a truck allison can be programmed locally which isn't possible with the GM/Allison.
TIA
Peter
 
Yes the GM Allison will work with the MD TCM

Dale
 
I have a passenger side drop NP241c with mechanical speedo I would like to use with my 8.1l/Allison swap in a 78 K30. I see that I need to have the Allison's output re-splined. My question has to do with the speed sensor, can I use a pass through sensor from Dakota Digital or Jag That Run to provide the electronic signal the Allison needs and retain my cable speedo? How many pulses is the Allison looking for? The 241 has the same gear reduction ratio as the 261 so should I be okay with the low range? Thanks
 
The Allison has 40

Dale
 
Discussion starter · #571 ·
I have a passenger side drop NP241c with mechanical speedo I would like to use with my 8.1l/Allison swap in a 78 K30. I see that I need to have the Allison's output re-splined.
IIRC there is a 29 spline input gear available for the pre-95 t-cases. 95ish and up use a different helix angle on the gears and are not interchangeable with the earlier gears. Look for a 29 spline input gear that uses the wide input bearing (same journal width as your current gear).
 
Well, that's a handy bit of information I'll have to look in to. I had understood it as there was not a 29 spline that would fit the 241 pre 1994. I've seen them in both .6 and .9 width bearings though. That will solve the mechanical piece of the puzzle. I am still a little lost on the speed sensor though, will a pass through style sensor that producing an electronic signal and retains the mechanical speedo cable work for the Allison? What sort of signal is the Allison looking for from the sensors (I've seen different pulse counts)?
 
Discussion starter · #573 ·
As 2wpuller said the OSS needs to have 40 pulses per rev.
 
New question... I'm working on getting my 2001 Cummins ISB170 / Allison 1K combo installed into my '42 Dodge and am in need of a flexible dipstick... Has anyone located an aftermarket one that would work? I need it to be long enough to cross the top of the transmission bell and then extend up my firewall a bit. I've been looking at the Lokar Midnight series stuff since the truck is a military truck and I am keeping the military theme, I am not looking for anything bright and fancy.

Thanks in advance guys.
 
I made one out of a stock dmax by measuring how much the dipstick stuck out the end and cutting both ends off and brazing two pushloc fittings on the ends I cut then cut a piece of pushloc hose to go in between.





I filed down the lip so the dipstick didn't get hung up when putting it back in.



Just used a hose holder to secure it.

 
Many thanks! I believe the above route is the method I will be using. Many thanks for the above! I am probably going to cut the handle off and adapt it to a black knurled or phenolic drawer pull knob to make it look more era specific. Thanks again!
 
Hey Alex I think you should thank me one more time. Jk.

You could also get a dipstick out of a Ford F-650 (Cummins/Allison) or a GMC Topkick (Duramax/Allison) both which are on the drivers side. The F-650 has a longer one though.
 
Not to step on toes, but the information i have from Allison on gear ratio's is as follows. ( Notice that all transmissions 1000/2000/2400 have same gear ratios unless is a specific version (2500) then they will have wide ratio). I have been trying to absorb some of these 20 odd pages, and distill it down to what I specifically need to put a 6spd in my 96 ram 2500 2wd 6bt. Thank everyone for their inputes. James.:beer:

Models
1000, 1000 EVS,*1000 HS, 1000 MH,*1000 SP,
1000 PTS, 1000 RDS, 2100 EVS, 2100 HS,
2100 MH, 2100 PTS, 2100 RDS, 2100SP, 2200 EVS,
2200, HS, 2200 MH, 2200 PTS, 2200 RDS, 2200 SP,
2300 HS, 2300 PTS, 2300 RDS, 2350 SP, 2350 EVS,
2350 HS, 2350 MH, 2350 PTS, 2350 RDS

Gear
Ratio
Sixth
0.67
Fifth
0.71
Fourth
1.00
Third
1.41
Second
1.81
First
3.10
*Sixth speed available July 2006 and later for specific vehicle configurations.
*
Models
2500 Series, 2500 EVS,*2500 MH, 2500 RDS
2500 SP, 2550 EVS, 2550 MH, 2550 RDS, 2550SP

Gear
Ratio
Sixth*
0.64
Fifth
0.74
Fourth
1.00
Third
1.44
Second
1.90
First
3.51
*Sixth speed available July 2006 and later for specific vehicle configurations.

B210 = close ratio model without park pawl
B220 = close ratio model with park pawl
1000 = close ratio model with park pawl
2100 = close ratio model without park pawl
2200 = close ratio model with park pawl
2300 = close ratio model without park pawl
2350 = close ratio model with park pawl
2500 = wide ratio model without park pawl
2550 = wide ratio model with park pawl
 
Just put together a list of parts that seem to be what is required to kit an Allison conversion from "Howard", this is less a harness and TCM. Believe it is all the necessary hardparts for 2 wheel drive Ram of 90's vintage. $2300 seems pricey, doesn't include allison itself!:(

( web site won't let me post links, well I had a link here to Howards Conversions.)


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