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I'm on the road right now but I know you don't need half of that stuff unless it's something for four wheel drive.
I cleaned up my post,none of the parts are 4x4.
I'm the proud owner of a 96 12v w/ a dying 47re. I clicked 400,000 in August and have the Cummins High Milage grill badge:smokin:. Truck is a daily driver that I perform continous mx on. I'm rebuilding brakes thanksgiving work break. So.....when I finally get to the swap it must be fully planned out, including any programming of tcm, drive shaft swap etc. I need to make sure I am kitted up.:beer:
 
You can use your Dodge TPS will work great if your using a MD TCM FROM Howard's

Dale
 
PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION
Installation Length* Dry Weight

SAE No.3 729 mm (28.7 in) 150 kg (330 lbs) Plus 65lbs for Torque Converter.
SAE No.2 739 mm (29.1 in) 150 kg (330 lbs)

Depth below transmission centerline
With Shallow Oil Sump (Standard)272 mm (10.72 in) With Deep Oil Sump (Optional)285 mm (11.22 in)
 
You can use your Dodge TPS will work great if your using a MD TCM FROM Howard's

Dale
SO, I can use a Medium Duty Allison ( not GM) trans control module ( out of a freightliner, school bus or Ford F600/750, even possibly a 4bt variation like Fedex/UPS/Frito step van) , then retain my stock TPS ( expensive TPS) on my P pump, this will feed a signal to TCM ( bypassing Ram ECM). I am most interested in 6 spd capabilities.:idea:

ebay price on 6spd ally's are around $1600+$400 core, 5spd are much cheaper approx $800. Seems like if I can get the ally to shift an old 5spd to 6th cost effectively that is way to go? from what i have seen sun coast etc charge difference in price for their 6spd upgrade:eek:
 
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SO, I can use a Medium Duty Allison ( not GM) trans control module ( out of a freightliner, school bus or Ford F600/750, even possibly a 4bt variation like Fedex/UPS/Frito step van) , then retain my stock TPS ( expensive TPS) on my P pump, this will feed a signal to TCM ( bypassing Ram ECM). I am most interested in 6 spd capabilities.:idea:

ebay price on 6spd ally's are around $1600+$400 core, 5spd are much cheaper approx $800. Seems like if I can get the ally to shift an old 5spd to 6th cost effectively that is way to go? from what i have seen sun coast etc charge difference in price for their 6spd upgrade:eek:
5 speed valve bodies cannot engage the 6th gear combination. Nor will 6 speed TCMs work with the solenoids in the 5 speed valve bodies. If you want a 6 speed you need to buy a 6 speed transmission. You could swap a 6 speed valve body and TCM onto a 5 speed, but the 6 speeds have a superior input drum assembly so they are the better transmission anyway.
 
3–1. SHIFT SELECTOR AND CABLE/LINKAGE
a. Adjustment. The transmission internal detent lever and spring must dictate
the position of the manual selector valve in the control valve body. Any
customer-furnished shift selector system must be designed and adjusted to
accomplish this positioning. The shift selector must move the internal detent lever
from position to position and not interfere with the ability of the internal detent
spring to position the manual selector valve. When the internal detent spring is in
the center of a detent lever position, the shift selector handle should be in the
center of the shift selector gate (refer to Figure 3–1). Follow the procedure below
to adjust the shift selector cable at the shift lever on the transmission.

Just got an Allison 1000/2000 CD Rom, so, I will be posting info from it. I will be reading through, it is several books, thousands of pages.:beer:
 
Anyone have part numbers and where to get the connectors, seals, and pins for 6 speed allison and gen 4 tcm. Need these so I can make my harness since I cant find a donor harness anywhere. Also anyone know where or what part number for gm bcm connectors and pins needed for tow haul and tapshift to work?
 
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Anyone have part numbers and where to get the connectors, seals, and pins for 6 speed allison and gen 4 tcm. Need these so I can make my harness since I cant find a donor harness anywhere. Also anyone know where or what part number for gm bcm connectors and pins needed for tow haul and tapshift to work?
http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?15428-The-complete-Allison-1000-2000-2400-info-and-swap-guide-thread&p=143776&viewfull=1#post143776

Last paragraph in that post.
 
thank you maxpf, so i ended up finding out today when picking up my transmission that on an 06 duramax truck the transmission harness is integrated in the body harness and not in the engine harness. if anyone is looking for a harness to build their own. Now for a question hopefully someone can answer. Ive read the pages and downloaded my own wire diagrams on an 06 chevy 2500. Seing if anyone knows what the orange wire with black stripe does? Its in the 20 pin connector on the s-l line of pins and its right next to the s pin. When i was removing the trans harness from the body harness i didn't get to label where they went. so unsure if it went to the fuse box or to inside the truck somewhere. the truck did have trans temp in the cluster.

also since taking a gm truck harness and making it stand alone with an 06 6 speed, do i need to pin into the tcm wires for the prnd for the tcm or are they already there internal in the trans. and the external nsbu switch is on the column of a chevy and doesn't apply for a stand alone conversion.

And after reading through all the pages all i have to do is wire managed and unmanaged tps inputs together and then to the cat tps.

and i found the part numbers for the bcm connectors does anyone know part numbers for pins for the bcm and what exactly needs power and ignition switched power. seems every plug has a batt power and or a switched ignition power. but it seems like different connectors are split into groups like lights, windows, ect. so maybe the batt power and switched power doesn't matter since im not using those.

and lastly in the gm harness i have 2 sets of gmlan wires. one set is tan/wht on pin 6 says obd-2 data connector pin 6, the other wire is twisted pair and on pin 27 says obd-2 connector pin 14.

second set of wires is pin47 gmlan low lt blu, and pin 66 gmlan high dk blu. but in schematics posted shows not used or no pins in that location. does one pair go to the obd connector then the other blue pair go to the bcm?
 
Wow MaxPF you sure know your transmissions. Looking for some help in troubleshooting my 04 Duramax with the LB7. Has the 5 speed Allison. Range shift inhibit in Reverse with no movement. Limp mode in drive. Started to act up about 2 weeks ago. Used my EFI Live Autocal to pull codes
ABS C0040
PCM P0089
ABS C0055
ACM B1055

I cleared the codes, truck ran fine, but then would act up now and then. This all started to happen after I drove to work one day, when we had icy roads, and they were out salting the roads. When it was acting up, Reverse would always give the Range Shift Inhibit, and when I put it in drive, on my Insight CTS, I could see the gears, it would start out in 5th, and then slowly (5 seconds) downshift to 1st, and I could feel it downshifting. I could drive off, and it would shift properly. Once I made it home, it would even go into reverse. Transmission fluid was changed 40k miles ago, so yesterday I changed both internal and external spin on filter, and put Transynd in it.
I also cleaned the connectors on the NSBU switch, and also on the connector at the back of the transmission. I could not figure out how to lock the back connector. I did drive the truck, and it shifted fine, had reverse, and thought I had the problem solved. But today it acted up again. I will look tomorrow to see if any of the connectors worked their way loose. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks for all the information.
 
searching through diagrams i finally found out what the orange/black wire is. Its the wire for the internal mode switch. Its an 06 6 speed so i know its not on the side of the trans but internal. Does this wire get powerfrom the ecu and provide tcm with information on what gear its in, or is it just an output from the mode switch to tell the engine ecu its in park/neutral?
if doing a stand alone setup is this needed? I guess in stand alone mode it could be used to drive a relay between the starter solenoid to prevent accidental starts that is if its an output.

just need some info.
Oh maxPf pm me if you can seing if you still have that howards adapter ring.
 
any floor shifters that work with an allison? looking for the b&m, tci, or hurts floor shifters. ALso any shift position indicators that work with the 6 speed allison. Was possibly thinking putting the external nsbu and gear position switch on the 6 speed just for gear position indicator.
 
So I was in Contact with this guy who sells harness to standalone allisons on ebay. he says i need a generation 5 tcm from him to make my 2100 work, it will not do with the gen 4 that i have. total cost for harness,tps and tcm and some other box for the speedo ends up at 2250 dollars. sounds a bit pricey? Any body here that could get me a harness and a tps that would work for me?
 
howards tech support is amazing, i haven't even purchased anything from him and he has answered so many questions and responded to every email. Im trying to encourage him to join on here.
and moparmatz id just put 06 solenoids in the valve body and run an 8.1 or duramax tcm. I got my harness from a duramax truck and the harness is intergrate in the body harness with the fuse box. Its not in the engine harness like most would think. big plus since most people selling a duramax wont part with the engine harness. That will get most of the wiring done from tcm to trans. Will have to apply power to a few wires and pin in a few for tps. but converting a duramax harness is really easy. my 06 6 speed actually had the rpm sensor in the bell still so wiring was even easier. id say look for an 06 6 speed duramax to get the harness out of.


I still have a question though. hoping someone can chime in. On the 20 pin trans connector next to the "s" pin is an orange/black wire. wiring schematic shows it connects to all the switches in the internal mode switch and goes to the engine computer labeled as the park/neutral. Im just wondering what this does and if it needs to be wired to anything. Unless it just tells the engine computer that it is in park or neutral and allows the engine to crank. Maybe this can be wired to a relay to enable/disable the starter circuit? just not sure if this switches a ground or outputs a voltage.

other question i have is how much power can the sae #3 oem flex plate and converter adapter hold? Looks really thin, even though it has no holes like the dodge version does i don't want to rip the center out of it. same with the formed adapter that goes from the flex plate to the converter it is just as thin. and will these components hold together at 4k rpm's?

and with an 06 6 speed how to wire up reverse lights?? think i read pin 65 connects a ground when in reverse is this correct? and still looking for a shifter setup. tci, b&m, and hurts all say they have nothing for the allison trans and have no info on it at all. will a lever type cable shift transfer case floor shifter with no detents work? since the detents are in the trans?
 
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