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You have a choice of diagnostic connectors, 9 pin round connector found in medium duty trucks, or standard ALDL connector (OBD2) found in most cars and light trucks since 1996. You need to snoop around the GM upfitter site and look at the schematics they have there. They have PDF of schematics in the body builder section for light and medium duty. as for where to get your connector, junk yards for cars, or on highway truck salvage/service centers. It's just a bit of plastic you are going to re pin with a couple of wires, I wouldn't spring for a new one.
 
I'm working on an Allison 6 speed swap behind a 7.3. My wiring harness is built for a 8.1 cal. I went to the dealer to get the brand new A41 flashed, but the tech couldn't get the TCM to take the cal. The A41 was flashed with a 3500rds cal. He was trying to flash it via wireless MDI with OS 24259900 which is for the newer T14A TCM. It would load up all the way to 100% then start back over. It did this three times then failed. I looked at the cal in EFI and got error messages that it was the wrong cal for the TCM, but all of the tables are the same shift points as an 8.1 cal. I tried to drive it, but it was just in limp mode as if there was no TCM hooked up. I also tried to data log and couldn't even set up pids or even scan for DTCS. The things I can think of is A) They should be using a USB cord instead of wireless, B) They should only have the TCM hooked up and not the BCM, C) The 24259900 OS is not backwards compatible with A41, D) We need the right 8.1 OS for an A41. So I'm looking for anyone that knows either the GM A41 part # or a way around this.

The tech manually put the part number of 24256864 which is on the back of this T14A.




This is the TCM that I'm using. We tried looking for all the numbers on the back of this one in MDI and no luck.




Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
 
Haha. Dale and I have been talking for years. The dealer screwed around for 4 hours while I waited with the harness hooked up to a power supply just for the tech to tell me he had his hands full and might not get to it today. Screw that. Dale gave me a number to a guy in Wisconsin. I talked to him and he said send the harness, TCM and BCM to and he will do it for I think $75. He only needs the harness to flash the BCM. If it works out well I'll post his name and number so others can do the same.
 
Are you're talking about him dressing in drag? If so that's no secret. That's a well known fact. Haha. Dale has been a invaluable asset to my swap and the one I'm doing now. I've aggregated the chit out of him for both of these swaps and he keeps answering the phone. He's a good guy and a good friend.
 
You promised you would tell my secret
 
Does anyone here know a source for a complete mechanical driveline park brake that will fit an Allison 2200?

I was told only Dana & Meritor made them but cannot even get a reply from the corporate guys about a retail source. And I'd be happy to go junkin if I knew a few makes & models to look for. Any clues will be much appreciated.
 
The parking brake hardware is not unique to Allison, but would be similar to a brake used on various automatic and manual transmissions on a vehicle that had hydraulic brakes . The bracketry to operate the brake would be unique, but you can be creative there .
 
The type I'm looking for bolts directly to the output end of the tranny and is basically a mechanically (cable) operated drum brake. Seen tons of hydraulic units but the "inspectors" want pure mechanical for the park on my 1.5 ton. Just have not found any make/model/year info regarding what they came on. The Allison has two bolt patterns for these. One is square (US) and the other is trapezoid (export). I need the US pattern.
 
my allison mt643 did not have a park brake, my output yoke had a flange so i bolted a machined down drum, machined about 10 holes in it and installed an big electromagnet with spring return. when the magnet pulled in, a lever pushed a 3/8 pin in one of the holes. if there was any pressure on the drum it would stay locked in, if i reversed it would automatically retract. worked good.
im in the process of converting to an allison 2400, partially because of the 5 speed / overdrive but also it gives me parking brake. i will post latter asking info on wiring / controller for the conversion.
eric
 
this thread has been going on for years now, has anyone actually done a complete alilsion stand alone installation that works on a daily driver. im ready to drop in a 2002 - five speed 2400 in my small motorhome. does anyone have a wiring diagram and which controller works best.
12 years ago, installed a allison md3060 in my 1957 chevy two ton behind a cummins 8.3. with the allison manual and lots of back and fourth between chapters and wiring diagrams i got it all wired up, always worked great, so im kind of puzzled why this seems so complicated. the most challenging part was to find someone to reflash the 5 speed computer from a bus into a six speed for me.
i would rather pick someone brain who has done this but i can always buy the factory allison manual and go from there.
 
all the info in this thread regarding wiring, connectors, and diagnostic can be found in these publications and you actually will get concrete wiring diagrams.... most people really dont care what language the tcm and ecm communicate in, what MOST people want is a step by step "how to" guide to make an allison work on its own.
these publications dont do that BUT, all the info you need can be found in them. and instead of spending close to $300 for the original version like i did 12 years ago when i wired my allison 3060, these are now free online for downloads from various sources... i will try and come up with a part number for the TPS.!
allison 5 speed diagnostic manual ( 1st, 2cd and 3rd gen ) pn # TS3192EN
allison 6 speed diagnostic manual ( 4th gen and newer ) pn# TS3977EN
 
Apparently you did read the complete thread Most people doing the 6sp Allison swap using the GM TCM and BCM are interested in how the communication language work.There are several guys running this setup as a standalone I for one have over 30,000 miles on mine.
The MD system is much easier to get going by as you reading manuals.

Dale
 
Dale, actually the md3060 is more complex than the 1000 series, the shifting is electronic instead of mechanical, the key pad controls shifting, codes, you can get oil levels, shift modes...etc..... alot more wiring.
All i am saying is that the title to this thread " the complete allison info and swap guide " is far from complete as there is not concrete step by step "how to guide" to wire and do a conversion. saying use an allison tps or cat tps really doesnt help, how about part numbers...
all the wiring info and more is availlable in the allison 450 page manual and broken down into sections, at least there are concise wiring diagrams, its a relatively simple thing to do if there was a step by step wiring diagram for a stand alone unit, BUT no one who has a running truck is sharing that and it certainly is not in this thread... thats all i am saying. the mechanical end is easy..
 
I don't know how to tell you this without sounding like a dick, but your 3060 is NOTHING like the new 4th Gen Allisons. There are plenty of people that have done stand alone swaps like Mr. Dale, Matt Pitman, Scott and I and a lot of other people that don't share their swaps on the Internet. If you actually read the thread there is just about all the info you will need to do either a 3rd Gen (5 speed or 4th Gen (6 speed). Part numbers wiring and all. It might not be in order because of certain things coming up but its all there. I mean if we have to hold your hand and show you what pages each piece of info that you are looking for we might as well just do the install for you. This thread is about the Allison 1000 mainly using the GM stuff, not 2nd Gen old school 3060's.

The reason why this swap is so hard is because there are so many variables to make a completely computerized transmission that was designed to work behind a computerized motor work behind just any motor with out any input from the ECM. The only thing thing that the Allison 4th Gen needs really is a good TPS signal. It's pretty much stand alone by itself. The reason we are talking about what language the TCM and other ECM's uses is because it would be nice to let them talk for things like TPS, cruise control, defuel, etc through J1939. At least that is what I'd like on my setup. It's possible, but I think I will have to change my ECM to a MD, because there are no ECM communication files for a Dodge/Allison combo. I actually have J1939 hooked up from my 05 ECM to my TCM, but it's like they talk the same lingo, but they don't know what the address is so they can't send letters back and forth.

There are pros and cons for each setup. The GM setup you get tapshift, but have to wire in a BCM to get TH. Also I feel as the GM setup is meant for lower hp apps in the 400-500 hp MAX range. This is do to the tunability. With the 8.1 OS you have the CAT TPS that sends a TPS and Delivered Torque signal to the TCM. The max Delivered Torque that the CAT TPS will send is 450 ft-lbs. This causes a problem because the TCM uses DT for shift timing. So let's say you have 1000 ft-lbs at the flexplate and the TCM only sees 450 ft-lbs then you will have a flare, because it will shift slower. In the MD setup you don't have that problem because you can setup your torque table with CALCULATED TORQUE. I think Matt is around the 700 hp territory with the MD setup. Basically you tell the TCM what the engine is delivering at a certain RPM and TPS. Also the CAT TPS only shows a MAX 69% throttle. That's really no big deal, because you just set you shift points up to 69%.

The MD setup has TPS AUTO Relearn that resets the TPS calibration everytime you start the truck. The temporary solution for this is to turn the key on and hold the throttle to the floor for about 5 seconds then release then start the truck. The permanent solution would be to feed the TCM the maximum voltage of the TPS (100% throttle) through a time delay relay then when the relay switches off it goes back to the TPS.

Being that I have both the GM and MD swap on two different trucks I think the best setup for a complete standalone would be for Allison to make a MD CIN that has analog TPS with a controlled relearn and Tapshift along with the features it already has like exhaust brake, pto and TH. If TH is setup right there would be little reason to have TS, but it is a nice feature to have. It gives you just about complete control over the wide range of driving that anyone would go through.

So point is to read through THE WHOLE THREAD and maybe not criticize the thread that you are asking help on, because without this thread and the good people on it sharing info I would still be replacing POS gear vendors units instead of having a double overdrive Allison.
 
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