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The complete Allison 1000/2000/2400 info and swap guide thread

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I decided to start a thread devoted to this trans for a couple reasons. First off, there is a LOT, and I mean a LOT of misinformation out there. Second, there is little useful info for some basic specifications on these transmissions. Finally, a lot of guys think they are too complicated or too expensive, when in fact they are no more complicated or expensive than, say, a 4L80E or 48RE that is built to do the same thing. Since I have decided to swap a 1000 into my truck I have been heavily researching all the details. While I still don't have all the answers I want, I do have most that I need, and I figured why not consolidate this information somewhere to help out other folks who contemplate this swap. I think a lot of folks get turned off of an Ally swap simply because the information is sporadic and often contradictory.

With that said, my goal for this thread is to include as much FACTUAL INFORMATION as possible. If info is prefaced by "I think", "Supposedly", "I heard", "My friend said", etc. I don't consider it factual. I don't want a thread full of anecdotal information, but rather facts that people can use to make an informed decision and help them successfully complete a swap. ;) With that said, including unconfirmed info and opinions is fine as long as it is presented as such.

Also, when adding any information, make sure to specify what generation of Allison it belongs to. There is the pre-2004 5 speed, 04-05 5 speed, and 06-up 6 speed, with various revisions among the years. Try to be as specific as possible.

Anyway, with that said I will start with some basic info about the 1000/2000/2400 series.

GENERAL INFORMATION

The Allison 1000/2000/2400 series are torque converter driven, fully automatic transmissions with 5 or 6 forward speeds. 5th and 6th are overdrive gears, and the overall ratios are dependent on model. All have a neutral and reverse gear as well, and the 1000 and 2400 series have a park position which actuates an integral park pawl. The basic max ratings for this series of transmission is 300HP, 550lb-ft input torque without SEM/torque management, 620lb-ft input torque with SEM/torque management, and 850lb-ft turbine torque. These are the ratings published by Allison for MD on-road use. As we know, the ratings for GM pickups with the DMax are higher, but the GVW and duty cycle of a pickup are less than a Md truck, so Allison rates the trans conservatively. No doubt the software in the TCM has a huge impact on the amount of power the trans can really take. GVW and GCW ratings of the trans depends mainly on whether the unit has a park pawl (units with park pawl are rated lower). GVW varies from 19,500lbs for the 1000 series to 33,000lbs for units without park. GCW ranges from 26,000lbs to 33,000lbs. Complete ratings and specs can be found here.

The gear ratios for the various models are as follows:

..........1000..........2000/2400

  • 1st.....3.10...........3.51
  • 2nd....1.81...........1.90
  • 3rd.....1.41...........1.44
  • 4th.....1.00...........1.00
  • 5th.....0.71...........0.74
  • 6th.....0.61...........0.64 (06-up models only)
  • Rev.....4.49...........5.09

INTERNAL OPERATION

Internally, the transmissions have three planetary gear sets controlled by 5 sets of clutches, labeled C1-C5. 2 clutch packs (C1-C2) are rotating, and transfer input torque to certain elements in the planetary sets, while the remaining 3 sets (c3-C5) are stationary and lock each of the ring gears and their coupled components to the case when engaged. These transmissions contain no bands, sprags, or roller clutches - all gear changes are accomplished by direct clutch-to-clutch changes. Clutch engagements for each gear are as follows:

.............C1........C2........C3........C4........C5

  • Park..........................................................*
  • Rev.........................................................
  • Neu..........................................................*
  • 1st..........................................................
  • 2nd........................................................
  • 3rd.........................................................
  • 4th.........................................................
  • 5th.........................................................
  • 6th......................................................... (06-up models only)

VALVE BODY AND TRANSMISSION ELECTRICAL

Shifting is controlled electronically. The valve body contains 6 (03-earlier) or 7 (04-up) solenoids which control all functions. Solenoids A and B are "trim" solenoids that regulate the pressure on the oncoming and off-going clutches. both are pressure proportional to current (PPC) solenoids which operate at a frequency of 1KHz. Solenoid A is normally closed, providing full line pressure at zero current and zero pressure at 100% current. Solenoid B is normally open and provides zero pressure at zero current and full line pressure at 100% current. Solenoid A controls the oncoming and applied clutches while B controls the off-going clutch. In the event of a power or TCM failure solenoid, A will default to full pressure while B defaults to zero pressure, giving a limp-home capability. 04-up valve bodies incorporate a G solenoid which reduces the main line pressure by approximately 100psi during idle and low load operation, reducing heat generation. The F solenoid controls TCC apply and release. On 05-earlier models this is a PWM solenoid operating at 100Hz, while 06-up use a PPC solenoid operating at 1KHz.

Shifting is controlled by 3 normally closed solenoids, C, D, and E. These solenoids are strictly binary, applying either full line pressure or exhaust to its associated spool valve. The logical combination of these 3 valves determines which clutches are applied. Contrary to what some believe, the solenoids do not directly operate the clutches. The spools and solenoids are arranged so that each shift change will exhaust the off-going clutch via the solenoid B path while applying pressure to the oncoming clutch via the solenoid A pressure. Because of this, shifts must be sequential - the transmission will not skip gears when upshifting or downshifting. It also means that it is not possible to apply random sets of clutches, although it is possible that the unused solenoid combinations could create a non-valid clutch condition (i.e. C2 and C5 applied) which would create a lockup. There have been anecdotes of aftermarket controllers applying all 5 clutch packs while at speed, but I don't believe it is possible to apply more than 2 clutches with the arrangement of valving in the VB. That is not confirmed, however...

Here are the solenoid combos for the various gears:

.............C...........D...........E
  • Park.............................*
  • Rev................................
  • Neu..............................*
  • 1st.....................*.............
  • 2nd.................................. (If power is lost or TCM is inoperative, this is the limp mode gear)
  • 3rd.......*..........................
  • 4th.................................
  • 5th...................................*
  • 6th ???????????????????? (Don't have info for this....)

The VB also contains a pressure switch assembly which gives feedback to the TCM on which solenoids are engaged. The PSA also houses the trans temp sensor, which is a negative temperature coefficient thermistor. All VB electricals are passed through the case using a standard GM 20-pin connector, identical to the one used on the late 4l60Es and 4L80Es. Looking at the connector in the trans, starting with the upper left and working left to right, top to bottom, the pins are labeled A-W, with the letters I, O, and Q not used. The pin assignments and color codes of the INTERNAL wiring harness for 5-speed models are as follows:

  • A - Dk Green - Shift Solenoid C
  • B - Orange/Black - Shift Solenoid D
  • C - Pink - Power to shift solenoids C, D, and E
  • D - Lt Green - PSA terminal A
  • E - Red - PSA terminal C
  • F - Blue - PSa terminal B
  • G - Orange - PSA terminal E
  • H - Black - PSA terminal F
  • J - Brown - TCC solenoid F
  • K - Tan - PSA terminal D
  • L - Red/Black - Trim Solenoid A
  • M - Lt Blue - Trim Solenoid A
  • N - Gray - Trim Solenoid B
  • P - Purple - Trim Solenoid B
  • R - ????? - Line Pressure Solenoid G (04-up only)
  • S - Black - TCC Solenoid F
  • T - Tan - PSA terminal F
  • U - Green - IC to terminal V
  • V - Green - IC to terminal U
  • W - Black/Tan - Shift Solenoid E

For 6-speed models, the internal connections are as follows (no color codes - sorry:

  • A - Shift solenoid C
  • B - Shift solenoid D
  • C - Shift solenoid E
  • D - PSA terminal A
  • E - PSA terminal C
  • F - PSA terminal B
  • G - PSA terminal E
  • H - PSA terminal F, IMS terminal F
  • J - TCC solenoid F
  • K - PSA terminal D
  • L - Trim solenoid A, TCC solenoid F, main pressure solenoid G
  • M - Trim solenoid A
  • N - Trim solenoid B, shift solenoids C, D, and E
  • P - Trim solenoid B
  • R - IMS terminal A
  • S - Main pressure solenoid G
  • T - IMS terminal E
  • U - IMS terminal D
  • V - IMS terminal C
  • W - IMS terminal B

Other electrical components include 3 (05-earlier GM apps) or 2 (06-up GM apps) variable reluctance speed sensors and an NSBU (Neutral Start back-Up) switch (05-earlier) or IMS (Internal Mode Switch - 06-up). The first speed sensor is in the bell housing and gets its signal from the pump vane ribs in the converter housing. On 6-speed GM apps, the bell housing speed sensor is deleted, and the TCM instead gets engine speed information from the ECM via the GMLAN bus. The second sensor is the turbine speed sensor in the main housing, and pics up off of either the PTO gear or a stamped steel tone ring that replaces the PTO gear in units without a PTO option. Finally, 2WD transmissions have an output speed sensor in the output housing that reads off of a 40-tooth tone ring on the output shaft. 4WD models use the speed sensor and 40 tooth tone ring in the transfer case tail housing. 4WD models have a switch input to notify the TCM that 4Lo mode is engaged, and the TCM makes appropriate compensation for the TC low gear ratio.

The NSBU switch on the 01-02 5 speeds is essentially identical to that used on the 4L60Es. There are 2 receptacles on the NSBU. The 4-pin gives the TCM information regarding the gear selected, while the 7-pin accesses switches are used for P-N starter lockout and backup lights. The 4-pin receptacle's pins are marked A, B, C, and D. Depending on the shift position selected, a combination of 2 of these pins will be grounded. Here's the table, with the grounded pins marked with an asterisk:

.............A...........B...........C.........D
  • P.................................................
  • R................................................
  • N...............................................
  • D................................................
  • 3...................................................
  • 2................................................
  • 1...............................................

Since only 2 terminals or no terminals (in the case of 3rd) are valid combinations, the TCM can sometimes determine if there is a wiring or switch malfunction. The standard wiring color codes and their connection to the TCM J2 connector for the 4-pin receptacle are as follows:

  • A - Blue - pin 5
  • B - Gray - pin 7
  • C - White - pin 8
  • D - Yellow - pin 6

NOTE: On GM pickups, these wires go to the ECM, which then buffers and feeds them to the TCM. On stand-alone apps, they will be wired directly to the TCM. This is a helpful bit of info for those modding a GM pickup harness ;)

The 7-pin connector on the NSBU has pins labeled A-G, and their corresponding wire colors and assignments are as follows:

  • A - Not used
  • B - Tan - Park Accessory
  • C - Blue - Rev/Park Accessory fuse
  • D - Green - TCM analog ground (TCM J2 connector, pin 20)
  • E - Yellow - Park/neutral start battery feed
  • F - Pink - backup lamps
  • G - Orange - Starter relay

03-05 models used a very similar NSBU switch assembly, except they have a single connector that contains all the pins, rather than 2 separate connectors.

06-up 6-speed transmissions no longer use an external NSBU switch. The external switches were prone to failure caused by internal corrosion due to exposure to water. The park and reverse accessory and backup lamp switch functions were moved to the column. Park/neutral and gear selector position info on these transmissions is done with an internal mode switch (IMS) mounted on the rooster comb inside the transmission. Its functions are brought out through the 20-pin connector on the transmission (see above). The F pin on the IMS is common, and depending on position one or more of the remaining pins will be switched to the F pin. Pin A is connected to the ECM, and is used to notify it that the transmission is in either park or neutral, thus allowing the engine to be cranked. The final 4 (B-E) are connected directly to the TCM and tell it what range is selected, NOTE; On GM trucks, the PRNDL is labeled P-R-N-D-M-1, with only those 6 positions available via the column shifter. However, the transmission itself has 7 positions internally - the last position is simply not used in GM vehicles, and the travel is limited in the column shifter so a GM vehicle cannot physically shift into the last position. However, a DIY shifter setup WILL be able to shift into that last position unless it is likewise limited (i.e. using a 3-speed floor shifter rather than a 4-speed floor shifter).

Note that these pin assignments are those of the switch itself, NOT the 20-pin external connector. Refer to the external pinout description above for the 6-speed to find the external pins connected to these internal pins.

............A............B............C............D............E
  • P....................................*.............................
  • R..................................................................
  • N.................................................*...............
  • D..................................................................
  • 3...............................................................
  • 2..................................................................
  • 1..................................................................

Information continued in later posts.
 
#265 ·
Did your MD TCM have T/H and Tap shift and Exhaust brake.

Dale
 
#267 ·
Tow/Haul and tap shift are strictly GM OS functionalities. MD TCM's do have an alternate shift schedule input on pin 61, but not all MD OS's use them. Keep in mind, there isn't a single MD OS or cal - every OE chassis configuration has their own, so there are literally dozens of MD cals for the 1000, 2000, and 2400 series.

In any case, I have concentrated on the GM TCMs, since they have the functionality that is most desirable to the swapper. A MD TCM will not take PWM throttle inputs - depending on configuration, they are either analog TPS (rare) or J1939 250kbps CAN (most common). Using a MD OS will give different functionality and feel, and more importantly for most swappers, EFI Live CAN NOT be used to reprogram shift points in them. You have to use Allison DOC software, which only authorized Allison service shops have. That is another reason I have concentrated on the GM TCMs rather than MD.

I was just reading on a Dmax forum about the tap shift. Is that something that could be setup with a factory GMC 6.6 TCM?
Onlt 6 speeds have tap shift functionality built in, so yes you can have tap shift if you are using a 6 speed TCM. 5 speeds do not have tap shift, but a guy by the screen name of DuraToTheMax has a tap shift add-on for 5 speeds. Both 5 and 6 speeds have tow/haul functionality.
 
#268 · (Edited)
Someone told the other day that there are kits available to mount Allison behind Cummins, so I started to google info about Allison to see if it suites my needs on '95 Dodge 4x4. This site, and especially this thread was first that had tons of info. And because I've read MaxPF's posts on CK5, I knew that info would be really detailed.

Now I'm really interested to get 6 speed, 2000 series Ally to my truck. And I wouldn't mind having a PTO provision on it, too. What's the reasonable price to pay of the used 6 speed, and most importantly, where to get one? I know that it's next to impossible to find one in here, and even if I'd find any, it would be way overpriced. Shipping it overseas costs something, but still it would be way cheaper.

+3000 bucks of Destroked kit is way too much for my budget, so I'll try to find TCM and sae #3 housing from ebay. I'm going to make the wiring myself, only thing I need is connectors and terminals. Are they Deutsch or GM specific? Maybe it's been said on this thread, so far I've read only a part of this. edit/ Ok, found it, they are weatherpacks, easy to find :) Allison 29502244 Harness Connector 748, does this go to tranny side or the harness side? I replaced valvebody to a 4000 series last fall, but didn't paid too much attention to connectors.
 
#270 · (Edited)
#273 ·
They have to be - they're the same diameter.
 
#275 ·
Nope. I was counting teeth to make sure there wasn't a slight difference in diameter. Next step is to get a flexplate. I just hope they're not really thin...

I could use the Dodge flexplate, but that would mean keeping the starter at the stock depth, which in turn means I would need to notch the Ally's bellhousing for clearance of the starter nose when it throws out. I would rather avoid cutting on the Ally's bell, and I'd also prefer a flat flexplate over a dished one.
 
#276 ·
TPS input question

Hello group, I have read through the whole thread and this is great information. I have a question about the TPs input. I have a 2004 1000 that I,m retrofitting into a 1975 FMC motorhome, it's behind a 12V Cummins. The TCM is also a 2004 out of a Duramax P/U. When I wire up the TCM, there is no wire in at the red connector #9 pin location, which from the thread I believe is the TPS sense wire. So if I install a wire and connect it to the signal (2.5-5.0 V) of the TPS will the TCM use that signal for engine load or will I need to reprogram the TCM because it would normally be using the CAN bus circuit as it did with the Duramax. Has anyone had any experience with this?
 
#277 ·
IIRC the DMax TCMs are deaf on the analog TPS input.
 
#279 ·
No. The OS has to be changed. The only way to get an OS that will run an analog TPS is to have a shop with Allison DOC software flash it in for you. or buy a TCM with a suitable OS already in it. Note that such an OS is going to be intended for medium duty trucks, so it will not have tow/haul capability or 4wd-low compensation available.

If you want the Chevy truck functionality (tow/haul - you don't need 4-lo comp for a motorhome, unless it's 4wd :D), use a TCM from an 8.1L Allison app. It takes digital PWM inputs, which can be fed in using a Cat TPS just like we are doing with the 6 speed TCMs.
 
#280 ·
TPS input

Does anyone have the numbers that you would ask an Allison dealer to program the TCM to. Or is there a vendor that will sell you a TCM with an OS on it where you can just explain the parameters of the vehicle and what you want to accomplish, or do you always have to provide a VIN or calibration numbers to the programmer? If that's the case, how do you determine what VIN or cal id to provide?. Frank
 
#286 ·
Does anyone have the numbers that you would ask an Allison dealer to program the TCM to. Or is there a vendor that will sell you a TCM with an OS on it where you can just explain the parameters of the vehicle and what you want to accomplish, or do you always have to provide a VIN or calibration numbers to the programmer? If that's the case, how do you determine what VIN or cal id to provide?. Frank
Allsion dealers will only program a TCM if it is in a medium duty truck. They will NOT touch a TCM with a GM os/cal in it.

MikeHall
How do you tell if you have the 6.6 DM or 8.1 TCM?

When I purchased the TCM from the truck builder, he told me it was from a 04 Duramax, I guess I don't know that for sure.
Frank
If there's a p/n on a TCM, you could cross reference it to online catalogs or give a call to a part stores.
DMax and 8.1 apps use the same part numbers. The OS flashed into the TCM is the difference. At least, that is the case with gen 4 TCMs. Gen 3 (5 speed) TCM's are probably the same, but it is possible the same OS could be used for both. I haven't done as much research on Gen 3 TCMs ever since I figured out I could make a 6 speed work.
 
#287 ·
I ran into a small snag when I plugged the harnes into the trany it had a drip of trany fluid in 2 1/2 day's it drip about a 3/8 of a inch of fluid into a dixie cup the one used in a bathroom.So I drained the fluid and pulled the plug from the trany you have to cross your eyes and stick out your tunge befor you find the rite combination to get it out with out pulling the complete inside harness.I cleaned the trany fluid with brakeclean and used opoxy the a freind got from his work.Then I also used some gasket make called ritestuff for a little more peice of mind.I have been letting it cure for a few day's.Had to get some new batt. for the truck so I can get her started for the first time all the wiring is done truck is ready for a test drive after I put the front clip back on..Hope I will have good new to report that everything working with the allison.

thanks again Max.Have you check out my build thread and what do you think of it.

Dale
 
#288 ·
#289 ·
I have looked at and studied he pin outs for the 5 speed Tcm. I know tht the hots (keyed and constant) need to be hooked up, grounds grounded. Correct me if I am wrong but there are if I count right 2 "torque" inputs 1 unmanaged and 2 managed on The grey conector. Pin 9 unmanaged. Pin 16 managed plus a output for Managed torque request at pin 22.
On red connector a input for TPS at pin 9. And a TPS refrence voltage at pin 19.

Where do i pull engine speed for the inputs on the red connector at pins 17 & 18

Thanks for helping
 
#291 ·
I have looked at and studied he pin outs for the 5 speed Tcm. I know tht the hots (keyed and constant) need to be hooked up, grounds grounded. Correct me if I am wrong but there are if I count right 2 "torque" inputs 1 unmanaged and 2 managed on The grey conector. Pin 9 unmanaged. Pin 16 managed plus a output for Managed torque request at pin 22.
These are all digital inputs and outputs, and are used in 8.1L apps.

On red connector a input for TPS at pin 9. And a TPS refrence voltage at pin 19.
Those are for analog throttle inputs. GM TCMs do not use these, only certain MD applications will use the analog input.

Where do i pull engine speed for the inputs on the red connector at pins 17 & 18
That is fed by the speed sensor in the bellhousing.
 
#290 ·
#292 ·
I had to edit my above post. I got my SAE #3 flexplate on Friday, and bolted it to the crankshaft. Everything looked good till I tried to insert the barring tool, and it didn't fit. I counted the teeth on the flexplate, and it is 159 tooth, not 152 tooth :( I can make it work, but I ran into another issue that I won't elaborate on in this thread, since it isn't pertinent. I just wanted to correct the bad info I posted above - Dodge flywheels/flexplates and SAE #3 flywheels/flexplates are NOT the same tooth count. Live and learn :D
 
#294 ·
How for off is the starter from bolting on.

Dale
 
#298 ·
In order to use a 6 speed TCM in a 5 speed trans you would need to swap in the 6 speed VB, shifter shaft, internal mode switch, and internal wiring harness. It's way simpler to either get a 5 speed TCM or a 6 speed transmission.