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VW TDI Swap info/guide

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Ok, so there seems to be a ton of misinformation out there regarding the TDI motors and swapping them. I'm here to set this straight! I own a TDI specialty shop and have been working/modifying/swapping them for 7 years now. I've been there and done that with just about every avenue regarding them and will try to share my knowledge. I'm not going to discuss the IDIs are I feel they're barely adequate for a lawnmower on a good day with a hurricane tailwind.


List of basic motors that are out there that are good for swapping.
  • AHU/1Z - These are found in 96-98 Jettas and Passats. These are the old-style blocks with an intermediate shaft and external water pump that are basically the same from the mid-'70s till 98. Easy to recognize by stamped steel valve cover with 3 bolts in the center holding it down. They come with a wastegate turbo that's the size of a pop can. The wiring harness is very simple and the ECU doesn't have an immobilizer. However, to tune the ECU it needs to be socketed and burned chips installed. Not a huge deal for any tuner, just an added annoyance IMO. They can be converted for VNT turbo operation by a vent-specific ECU tune and a 00-03 N75 turbo solenoid valve. Extremely worthwhile if you insist on using this motor. The main drawbacks to these motors are: slightly poorer flowing heads than later motors, the tendency for oil leaks, 80kmi timing belt intervals, accessory bracketing sucks, and the ECU is rather dumb (think dos vs windows 98). If you're not planning on much over 150hp and you get one for cheap, they'll serve you well enough. If you want lots of power, skip to the next options.
  • ALH - Found in 00-03 Jettas, golfs, and beetles. Technically ALH's were available in beetles from 98-03, but the 98-99 beetle ECU/harnesses are bastard child and totally unique. Trust me when I say stay away unless you get them for free, in that case, sell them for a 00-03 ECU/harnesses. You'll thank me later.

This is my personal favorite, basically the 4bt of the VW world. Simple and best bang for the buck to modify. Can be brought up to a reliable 200hp/350tq with bolt-ons, 275hp/450tq if you want to delve inside. ALH was the first diesel of the new engine block design that did away with the intermediate shaft and external water pump. Uses many fewer gaskets so generally much lower tendency to leak oil. Easy to recognize by cast aluminum valve cover held with 5mm Allen perimeter bolts. If you can, get the motor (or at least the injection pump) off of an automatic car. Auto cars had 11mm plunger pumps, manuals had 10mm plungers. These motors have VNT turbos that are mounted on a turbo-fold. Kind of a pain for starter clearance on passenger side starter swaps. The easy solution is to get a 04-05 Passat TDI manifold & turbo (small upgrade from stock ALH turbo) or any of the aftermarket 8 valve 4 cylinder exhaust manifolds on e bay and put on a bigger turbo (you know you want more power). Either of those manifold options will pick the turbo up and away from the motor giving you more clearance for starters.

The wiring on these may look somewhat intimidating at first to those that aren't electrical friendly, but once you get it, it's extremely simple. The ECU for these is also much smarter than the older ones and is OBD flashable with a loader. Once the immobilizer is deleted by a tuner, there is no need to use OEM key, cluster, or any of that crap. I can't even say how many people I've seen go through the hassle of trying to hide an OEM key and cluster because so and so told them there was no way around it. Total BS there.

  • BEW - These are found in 04-05.5 Golfs, Jettas, and beetles. These are unit injections, with no external injection pump. Same short block as an ALH, just a different head. ECU/harness on these is very similar to the ALH once stripped for swap use and immobilizer deleted. The only major issue with these (and any of the unit injection motors) is that the cams are ground wrong from the factory with incorrect geometry. Somewhere between 50K and 150K, the cam and lifters will need replacing. The good news is a few years back I worked directly with Colt Cams to develop fixed profile cams that don't eat themselves. The bad news is because the cam is billet steel, it isn't a cheap job. A cam kit with cam/lifters/bearings/gaskets is $920. However, these motors are very quiet and smooth compared to the AHU/ALH. Power potential with these is just as good as the ALH, just more expensive to upgrade injectors on these vs the earlier rotary injected motors.
  • BHW - Found in 04-05 Passats. These are the most powerful factory TDI motor offered in the US at 135hp/236tq. With just a tune these jump to 170/325. Also the only factory longitudinal motor so accessories and oil pan are much more suited for longitudinal swaps. They also have a more traditional turbo/manifold setup that puts the turbo up much higher than any of the first 3 motors talked about. The turbo is also 3mm larger, and will make about 20hp more than stock ALH/BEW turbo. These are basically the same as a BEW with slightly larger injectors, 81mm vs 79.5mm bore (these are a 2.0L instead of a 1.9L), 2mm larger rod journals, and 1 point lower CR. With the bigger rods, these will hold 240whp on stock internals without ever taking the head off (~275hp with a ported head), just a $200 set of arp studs for cheap insurance. The downside with these is they have the same cam issues as BEWs. One other unique item these have that must be addressed is a chain-driven balance shaft module that bolts to the bottom of the block. It's a piece of epic fail that you need to toss in the scrap bin. The normal oil pump and chain drive from an ALH/BEW bolts right on and fixes that clusterfook. I'll post PN's for that later on.
  • BRM - Found in 05.5-06 Jetta and beetle. VW's next block architecture design with a $120 rear main seal. It's basically a slightly updated BEW with a high mount turbo and more EGR bs. I would suggest avoiding it unless you get it dirt cheap as it is a unique wiring harness/sensors. The ALH/BHW/BEW share many of the common maintenance items that are much cheaper. These also are unit injections and have the same cam issues.
  • CBEA - Found in 09-12 jetta and golfs. These are the latest and greatest common rail, DOHC motors chocked full of emissions garbage courtesy of uncle sam. Great platform for power once "fixed", but still too expensive/complex for mainstream swaps just yet. I'd suggest sticking with one of the older motors for a few more years. I'm putting one right now into a race car at work, but the budget is of no concern when the customer is some hedge fund manager. Must be nice :eek:

Many more updates will be added over the next few days. sleepy time now. Stay tuned.
 
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#90 ·
The 700r4 shift points are adjustable under normal driving conditions by putting in stiffer or lighter gov springs (or maybe servo?)

As far as WOT shift points that all depends on your gearing in the axle, and tire size to be chosen based on your engines needs. The tdi revs similar to a bbc.

The correct stall converter is very important.

I love Google!
 
#92 ·
Glad you have a better understanding of transmission issues than me. Every time I read about 4x4 guys using an auto the torque and 4800 rpm redline throws the transmission shifting off.

My son and I have talked about building him a kit type T bucket for a high school project. I'd be using the 2.8L and auto trans from an S10 so we can run a full hood. He's young and doesn't need to be driving a 1500lb vehicle with a 300+ HP V8.
 
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#94 ·
I wouldn't say they don't take much abuse. I had a 2.8 1985 firebird. Could not get it to spin the tires unless i let it roll backwards in neutral then drop it in gear then punch it. My god was i stupid.

Anyway, i got it used not running @97

I abused it several years then sold it. 4 or so years later my sister buys it and she could destroy an anvil. She resells it later, then years after that a cousin says she knows where it's at and tells us we could buy it back cheap. I didn't buy it back.

We couldn't kill it. Maybe mine was a lemon.


The only way is see the torque of a diesel throwing off a 700r4 is if it is either a large diesel (4bt) or making lots of power.

An improperly adjusted t.v. cable will kill it quickly too.
 
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#97 ·
Who are you guys using for your tune? I've emailed the guy i was gonna use a few times and even left a voice mail a few weeks back and have not heared from him. Emailed him again this morning and nothing yet. I think i need to find someone else at this point. Ready to send it off but have a few ??? To ask so im 100% sure i wont have do do anything twice.
 
#99 ·
I need to get a hold of Malone tuning as well. Hoping they can tell me what wires to remove from harness and do the immobilizer delete. I’m thinking a mild tune as well. But it’s just way to cold and nasty out to do any work. I did buy a spare velvet drive transmission to use for mock up purposes as well as have a good spare. I’m also thinking a bellhousing from the old pathfinder marine vw set ups might just work well to mate motor and transmission together...I think. Now I just need to find one of those...


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#102 ·
I never did quite understand the Pathfinder starter deal. They all looked like American Hi-Torq mini starters for V8s. As long as you can keep everything inline and square, a plate set up should work well. I know some of the DIY automotive swaps have many miles on DIY plate setups. A good solid bench or table would be of great value to keep everything square and inline while building the plates.
 
#103 ·
I definitely have a great shop to work in. Including welders, plasma, oxy/acet torches, press, drill press, etc.
I think I may have a couple steel plates laying around to use, so maybe I’ll use the mechanical drawing dimensions as well. Should be easy enough to create. Do you know of a starter to mount on the engine side? I think my transmission is too big to allow the transmission side starter to be used.


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#107 ·
Looks like he has some awesome products. I’ve emailed him on two different email addresses and have yet to get a response. I hope he’s ok. It might come down to taking the flywheel to the parts store and just trying different starters to see how they mesh with the Volkswagen flywheel. I’m sure something will work. Maybe can somehow use the original starter with some grinding? Maybe?


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I have rebuilt starters before, but I wonder if it would be possible to rebuild the starter to spin the opposite direction?
 
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#104 ·
I emailed malone and got a reply back in less than an hour. I had a few more q's for them but i plan on mailing it out next week. Going to get it running in the passat first. Then do bs delete and tb in the passat using it as my engine stand, set my tv and test run again. Then strip the wiring and test run a 3rd time before dropping in the boat.

The back is good and so long as weather stays in the 50s and dry I plan on 8 hrs a weekend every weekend until the spring.

First thing first....a bullet proof, fully serviced stand alone engine.

The boat is getting a restoration plus swap so this may be an all summer job
 
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#113 ·
How heavy is your flywheel? I believe the target is 30 lbs to get a nice smooth idle

I plan on adapting my sbc mercury flyweel and using the chevy starter. I have gotten to the starter yet...still removing the front clip. I want to say passenger side.
 
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#118 ·
My father is the maintenance supervisor at an upstate plant, i usually use him or an uncle who's a machinist at a shop across the street from one of my father's plants. Norris supply near cedar lane rd is also a good supply of new and used metal stock.

I'm not a machinist, im an outdoor power equipment technician.
 
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#121 ·
Being that i have an alpha outdrive ill use a plate to adapt the bell housing that originally went to the back of my 350 to it. The back of my block will be a 350. Do the first one in plexi glass, perfect it with plywood then final in aluminum or steel. At that point it will be easy to have it copied
 
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#123 ·
Yes, the hub will push the flywheel further from the engine so the plate will be a little thicker.

The starter will then bolt to the chevy er...mercruiser bell housing and use a cheap 35 dollar starter. No need for special marine starter or alternator with a diesel
 
#124 ·
Yes, the hub will push the flywheel further from the engine so the plate will be a little thicker.

The starter will then bolt to the chevy er...mercruiser bell housing and use a cheap 35 dollar starter. No need for special marine starter or alternator with a diesel
I agree but I still like to keep the explosion resistant marine starter, just in case of an oil or fuel leak.
 
#128 ·
I wouldn't think it would be an issue. You would have to fill your bilge with diesel or oil for it to present a problem. It's the explosive properties of gas fumes that imho cause the issue which will not be present when you have diesel
That's why I would prefer a marine starter. I know the issues with gasoline. I always popped the hatch or tilted the dog house open while running the bilge blowers before starting the engines. It wouldn't be as big a deal with diesel, but with my luck, big BOOM! :rolleyes:
 
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#131 ·
So...on the marine conversions, power assist steering issues...how are we gonna over come that? The stock gm power steering pump is near identical to an automotive pump except the valve, the next hurdle is the fact it's a v belt. How are we gonna overcome this little huddle? Hydraulic helm is 800, a ram is 300....or can we find a way to keep her power assist?
 
#132 ·
1. a 1.9 or 2.0L VW TDI mounted up to A Toyota 5-speed putting out that high of horsepower and torque is not adequate for a heavy four-wheel drive. 2. My 4bta 175 HP / 420T came out of a 11,500lbs aluminum Van with and Allison 5spd and in my 96 Dodge extra cab 4x4 after the original 6bt had 600k and the third auto transmission died in 2014. Engines & Transmissions are expensive. This truck goes in the Oregon dunes and steep Rocky Hills at China Hat Oregon and It's 6923lbs Empty. I'm 55 years old and I know what I'm talkin about with many PNW 4 Wheel Drive clubs over the last 30 years and for how many VW tdi's my wife has had break down. It ain't happening! 4bt/ Allison 5-speed hasn't broke down once. The only thing I have replaced since the swap is two new batteries February 2020. I'm sorry but I am a straight shooter and I tell it like it is. I am also ASE/G1 certification and build Tuff trucks rock crawlers and go to many mud bogs. My 4BT pulled a mud bog CJ5Jeep on a trailer, it wasn't the fastest thing, but we get there and was doing the speed limit over those Hills going to the Oregon coast on Highway 38 towards Reedsport. I'm very happy with the smaller Cummins but most of all this Allison 5-speed is geared perfectly.