[tractor_boy]

It uses the clutch that was originally in front of the ZF, an 11" ford clutch which is VERY common. I think I went to O'Reilly's and asked for clutch from a 92 F250 with a 351. I got the higher quality LUK clutch for somewhere around $130, not bad!! Does your 89 have an internal slave like the ZF? Just wondering because the stock clutch hydraulic line on my 93 goes right into the internal ZF slave, would be nice and easy if yours did too.
And what do you mean by short throw shifter? I bought my ZF rebuilt for $1000 ouch. And that's all I know about it. Tell me more...
As far as power- Well I put low compression marine pistons in it, but didn't do head o-rings or studs and I haven't done much to reinforce the frame and crossmembers. I don't know how far I'm gonna push this thing yet. My concern right now is just getting it running in time for school, then after that I'll worry about how much more fun i want.

 

[dillenger1]

I was wondering what youve been doing!I think the p pumps are a little quieter.they have a smoother idle.

 

[DieselSchlepper]

Here's your short throw source:

http://www.midwesttrans.com/

It uses the clutch that was originally in front of the ZF, an 11" ford clutch which is VERY common. I think I went to O'Reilly's and asked for clutch from a 92 F250 with a 351. I got the higher quality LUK clutch for somewhere around $130, not bad!! Does your 89 have an internal slave like the ZF? Just wondering because the stock clutch hydraulic line on my 93 goes right into the internal ZF slave, would be nice and easy if yours did too.
And what do you mean by short throw shifter? I bought my ZF rebuilt for $1000 ouch. And that's all I know about it. Tell me more...
As far as power- Well I put low compression marine pistons in it, but didn't do head o-rings or studs and I haven't done much to reinforce the frame and crossmembers. I don't know how far I'm gonna push this thing yet. My concern right now is just getting it running in time for school, then after that I'll worry about how much more fun i want.

 

[tractor_boy]

So what are the advantages of a short throw shifter? It sounds as if it keeps you from having to swing your arm all over the place? Is the stock ZF really that bad?

 

[MXblur]

A short throw shifter is just used to eliminate the long "shifting action" in between gears. The less you have to move the shifter between gears the better, which equals quicker shifts and more power to the ground. For this reason short throw shifter kits are used mostly in high performance/racing applications. Have fun with it!

 

[Ford4x4-JD70AB]

So what are the advantages of a short throw shifter? It sounds as if it keeps you from having to swing your arm all over the place? Is the stock ZF really that bad?

Pretty much the advantage is just not having to move the shifter as far. I put a hurst short throw shifter on my m5r2 (daily driver) and like it a lot. I didn't realize how nice a short throw shifter was until I put one on my truck, and wouldn't hesitate to buy one again.
Nice swap by the way! Its lookin good.

 

[Thegreengoblin]

Does your 89 have an internal slave like the ZF?

And what do you mean by short throw shifter? I bought my ZF rebuilt for $1000 ouch. And that's all I know about it. Tell me more...

As far as power- Well I put low compression marine pistons in it, but didn't do head o-rings or studs and I haven't done much to reinforce the frame and crossmembers. I don't know how far I'm gonna push this thing yet. My concern right now is just getting it running in time for school, then after that I'll worry about how much more fun i want.

ya my 1989 has a internal slave. i'm pretty sure it's exaclty the same as in the zf. i've done other m5r2's before, and again the slave is the same. I was thinking about this, and yes, its handy alright!!

check some posts above my post here, apparently there's a tranny shop that builds custom ones for just over 200 usd...i'm gonna get one for my truck

do you have stock injectors? what turbo are you running? you can easily put yourself in the 200hp range without too much of anything...especially with that pump of yours. and if you differential is stock....well lets say the torque will eat the clutch packs on a ford traction lock!! I'm running a 8.8 31 spline out of a explorer, with a detroit truetrack carrier. Pretty sure that's gonna be strong enough. although my concern is the zf tranny, there were never designed for anything other than a 351 and 302, which means it never had to handle anything above 320ftlbs of torque, i'm thinking it'll handle 500 as long as you take it easy, but we'll see right??

Thanks for the info on the clutch i'm gonna check that out. so the f250 pressure plate has the proper bolt pattern for the 4bt flywheel?

 

[tractor_boy]

Money is getting scarce right now. I would feel somewhat fiscally irresponsible spending $200 on a "convenience" at the moment. I'll keep it in mind for later though. Thanks!

I have stock injectors at the moment, HX35 with a shortened wastegate rod. And no I have no traction lock in my rear diff. I'm not too worried about the ZF, have seen 0 complaints about its durability behind a 4BT.

As far as the bolt pattern, if you have a ford adapter and flywheel, the clutch will bolt right up. Here's proof for the doubtful among us: :grinpimp:

 

[tractor_boy]

Got more done today- I pulled the oil pan off and shortened the sump (front to rear so as to clear my crossmember) and then made it about an inch deeper to account for loss in oil capacity. I originally tried just beating the pan with a hammer as you can see in the second pic, but this only allowed me to bring the engine forward about an inch. Now I think I'll have at least another three inches. I used an old John Deere 95 combine gas tank for sheet metal supply, it's the same gauge thickness. Welding oil pan sheet metal is pretty tough using an arc machine but I'm doing it with success! Now I just need to pretty the thing up and put the oil drain bung back into the bottom of the pan.
Pics:

 

[8898Chevs]

if it dosent work the first time, use more duck tape...

 

[MightyGoat]

Cool build. Good choice going with that p-pump and marine pistons. Starting it may be a little hard on cold mornings. That engine could be a monster someday.

 

[strokerguy]

great build thats for the picture it will be ver helpful when i do my swap thanks

 

[tractor_boy]

Well I guess I should get some more pictures posted up showing what I've been up to recently. To update you guys, I got hydroboost brakes from an early 90's Astro installed. I ordered extended stainless braided brake lines from James Duff last week and they just showed up today and I got them installed tonight. Also I had to order special metric power steering to -6AN adapter fittings from JEGS for the hydroboost and power steering lines. They showed up today too so I'll have my hose guys make the high pressure lines tomorrow.
I have everything clearanced in the engine bay and transmission tunnel, engine and transmission suspended in place. I strengthened the stock crossmember and modified it to support the ZF, now I just gotta make motor mounts. Looks as if I'll end up using the mid mount on both the passenger and driver sides. Oh and the ZF shifter stub is almost in my ash tray! Gotta see if I can take it out and heat and bend it down and back.

 

[clutches4life]

Money money

If you don't mind me asking bud, how much do you have tied up in your conversion so far? What do you expect the total build to cost?

 

[tractor_boy]

If you don't mind me asking bud, how much do you have tied up in your conversion so far? What do you expect the total build to cost?

Hahaha it scares me. I haven't added everything up yet but I can tell you it's about double what I initially thought I could do the project for. I had a fair amount into modifications for the truck before I even decided to do the swap too so it's hard to tell how it breaks down. Tell you what, give me two or three weeks to get this thing out of the shop and on the road and stop spending more money on it and then I'll add it all up, big long list of all the things and make up a "money" post for you guys. I do know that when I started the project I would put all the receipts and invoices into a box in my room. Well it's overflowing and I'm working on my second box now! :grinpimp:

 

[wbdave]

hows the build coming? i got a 94 single cab getting the engine this weekend, im hoping the 93 n 94 are similar so i can come back to ur thread to see what u did when i hit a dead spot lol got an recent pics of the engine in? :beer:

 

[tractor_boy]

hows the build coming? i got a 94 single cab getting the engine this weekend, im hoping the 93 n 94 are similar so i can come back to ur thread to see what u did when i hit a dead spot lol got an recent pics of the engine in? :beer:

No pics yet. Sorry man. I forget my dumb camera every time I head out to the shop. It's coming along slowly but surely. I had everything in and mounted and fabbed up, it all fit perfectly but then I noticed the clutch hydro line for the m50d and the ZF are not identical even though they appear to be. So I had to pull it all back out to change the slave cylinder quick connect end. And then I put it all back together and filled the engine with oil and noticed it leaking out the bottom of the tappet cover. You can probably imagine my utter excitement. :grinpimp:
As far as 93 and 94 trucks go, I have one of each and have been all over inside each and the only difference I have noticed is the A/C refrigerant type. I'll work onthe pics for you guys, sorry. But if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.
Chris

 

[Thegreengoblin]

so, my question is how is the ride height with the diesel in the front? you said you have a james duff set up, but how are the springs sitting with the extra weight?

 

[tractor_boy]

so, my question is how is the ride height with the diesel in the front? you said you have a james duff set up, but how are the springs sitting with the extra weight?

I have a 4 inch Rough Country suspension lift, James Duff bushings and body lift though. The new front lift springs are a bit softer than stock but the rears were much stiffer than stock. Honestly I can't tell a noticeable difference in the front ride height with the new drive train in it. I'll measure but it has to be less than a half inch difference.

 

[RichD]

Lookin good! Your going to love it when your done, I finished my Ranger a few months ago and love it!