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#1 ·
Many of you have followed my ISB170 / 08 Dakota build for the last 7 years. Its been a great truck for towing our small 5th wheel all over the US and Canada from coast to coast.
Its time to build my "old man" truck and concede to an automatic transmission.
It still has to be unique so it will have the ISB 170 and an Allison 5 or 6 speed.
I just pulled the motor/trans from the donor van today and will completely rebuild it so I have a reliable base to work from.
I'm currently cleaning up loose ends on the Dakota before selling it to finance the new truck.
Here is a list of what I plan for the engine at this point.

Holset Super HX30, a bit more turbo than the regular HX30 that I have been running on the Dakota and love.
33% over on the injectors which is the same as the Dakota.
Steed Speed exhaust manifold like the Dakota.
Colt Cams does a stage 2 grind for these engines that is supposed to really "wake them up"
ECU tune to raise the RPM to 3200 and a bit more fuel like my Dakota.

This would be pretty much the same engine as the Dakota but with the larger turbo and cam regrind.
I think it should make a reliable and economical tow vehicle engine.

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#33 ·
Nice !!!
 
#34 ·
Been working on the accessory drive setup this week. I'm glad this truck has electric power steering. :)
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#38 ·
NO smoke at all but fueling has a lot to do with the tune as well. I'm not aware of any plug and play 6 speed TCM's that are compatible with the ISB. There are a few company's that sell a secondary module that will give you basic 6 speed functions. The 5 speed Allison is the only plug and play way to go. I have both 5 speed and 6 speed Allison's sitting here if the 8 speed wont work.
 
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#42 ·
Just starting to wire this up and thought I would post the pin out for the Cummins jack. Disregard the "extension color" column.
Pin #SystemOEM ColorExtension color
1​
Battery PosativeOrangeN/A
3​
Battery NegativeBlack/whiteN/A
4​
Grid heater returnBlackN/A
7​
Battery PosativeOrangeN/A
8​
B+ out to switches, warning Lamps, cruiseRedRed/Pin A/Dash
9​
Battery NegativeBlack/whiteN/A
12​
Battery PosativeOrangeN/A
13​
Battery PosativeOrangeN/A
14​
Battery NegativeBlack/whiteN/A
15​
Battery NegativeBlack/whiteN/A
16​
Grid heater #1 driverOrange/blackN/A
17​
Grid heater #2 driverOrange/blackN/A
18​
Fuel heater relay driverOrangeN/A
19​
Throttle, return active low switchPurpleBlue
29​
Glow plug lamp negativeBlueBlue-Dash
30​
J1708 -PurpleLt Blue
31​
J1708 +TanLt Yellow
39​
Ignition inputPinkN/A
46​
Starter lockoutYellowN/A
47​
Stop engine lamp negativeWhite/blackWhite-Dash
60​
Cruise set/coastBluePin D
61​
Cruise resume/accelGray/blackPin C
63​
Maintance lampBrown/whiteBrown-Dash
64​
Diagnostic lamp negativeBrown/whiteN/A
51​
J1939 ShieldBlackN/A
52​
J1939 LowGreenN/A
53​
J1939 HighYellowN/A
55​
Throttle supply 5V+GrayWhite
56​
VSS -PurpleN/A
72​
Throttle, on idle switchBrown/whiteBlack
73​
Throttle off idle switchGreenOrange
74​
VSS +YellowN/A
76​
Cruise ON/OFFGrayPin B
79​
Diagnostic switchOrange/BlackN/A
80​
Brake switch inputVioletN/A
81​
Throttle returnBrownBrown
83​
Throttle input position signalGreenGreen
 
#43 ·
Big day today, it finally fired up and after a few seconds of loping it smoothed out and purred.
 
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#44 ·
I didn't realize that I had not updated this thread in a while.
Truck is on the road and has towed our 5th wheel over the mountains a couple of times. Power is good and the 8 speed auto works very well. I'm still fine tuning the trans programing and just upped the boost from 22 to 28 PSI which looks like its helped bring down the EGT's. I need to swap out the torque converter as the stock Hemi one has too low of a stall and the Cummins lopes really badly when you drop it into gear. The truck side of things has been the biggest challenge and I still don't have a working tach and a few other systems but working on them.
 
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#47 · (Edited)
Many of you have followed my ISB170 / 08 Dakota build for the last 7 years. Its been a great truck for towing our small 5th wheel all over the US and Canada from coast to coast.
Its time to build my "old man" truck and concede to an automatic transmission.
It still has to be unique so it will have the ISB 170 and an Allison 5 or 6 speed.
I just pulled the motor/trans from the donor van today and will completely rebuild it so I have a reliable base to work from.
I'm currently cleaning up loose ends on the Dakota before selling it to finance the new truck.
Here is a list of what I plan for the engine at this point.

Holset Super HX30, a bit more turbo than the regular HX30 that I have been running on the Dakota and love.
33% over on the injectors which is the same as the Dakota.
Steed Speed exhaust manifold like the Dakota.
Colt Cams does a stage 2 grind for these engines that is supposed to really "wake them up"
ECU tune to raise the RPM to 3200 and a bit more fuel like my Dakota.

This would be pretty much the same engine as the Dakota but with the larger turbo and cam regrind.
I think it should make a reliable and economical tow vehicle engine.

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Thank you soo much for your help....
https://19216811.cam/
192.168.100.1
 
#52 ·
If I were to find the right model CanBus dash out of a Bread Van it might work?
 
#51 ·
Truck has been running well. The ZF8HP70 trans works VERY well once its tuned correctly, the low 4.71 first gear is great.
Had quite a time figuring out the belt routing with a PS pump, vacuum pump, alternator and A/C.
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#54 ·
If you don't plan to use that Dash Gauge cluster, what do you want for them? Email me or text me.
Gene
503-267-1648
climer97007@gmail.com
 
#55 · (Edited)
Had it out for a three day road trip through the mountains and it overheated pretty bad and no trailer behind it.
Even though I have 4 electric fans pulling through the rad its the original Hemi rad with the AC and trans cooler as well as the inter cooler all stacked out front. I did some measuring and with some slight ;>) modifications I can get a Mishimoto aluminum rad from a Ram 3500 Cummins truck stuffed under there. I also moved the intercooler down below the rad and this rad has the trans cooler built into the rad side tank. I'll add a 3500 AC condenser when I get to that point. The intercooler has a pair of electric fans on it and boy does that work well. Lowered my EGT by a few hundred and it cools off (EGT's) WAY quicker once I take my foot out of it. I don't see having anymore overheating but wont know till the next trip in Sept.
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#57 ·
Yea, I had the same issue on my Dakota with this same model ISB170. Once I had a real rad it was fine for the next 7 years.