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The complete Allison 1000/2000/2400 info and swap guide thread

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I decided to start a thread devoted to this trans for a couple reasons. First off, there is a LOT, and I mean a LOT of misinformation out there. Second, there is little useful info for some basic specifications on these transmissions. Finally, a lot of guys think they are too complicated or too expensive, when in fact they are no more complicated or expensive than, say, a 4L80E or 48RE that is built to do the same thing. Since I have decided to swap a 1000 into my truck I have been heavily researching all the details. While I still don't have all the answers I want, I do have most that I need, and I figured why not consolidate this information somewhere to help out other folks who contemplate this swap. I think a lot of folks get turned off of an Ally swap simply because the information is sporadic and often contradictory.

With that said, my goal for this thread is to include as much FACTUAL INFORMATION as possible. If info is prefaced by "I think", "Supposedly", "I heard", "My friend said", etc. I don't consider it factual. I don't want a thread full of anecdotal information, but rather facts that people can use to make an informed decision and help them successfully complete a swap. ;) With that said, including unconfirmed info and opinions is fine as long as it is presented as such.

Also, when adding any information, make sure to specify what generation of Allison it belongs to. There is the pre-2004 5 speed, 04-05 5 speed, and 06-up 6 speed, with various revisions among the years. Try to be as specific as possible.

Anyway, with that said I will start with some basic info about the 1000/2000/2400 series.

GENERAL INFORMATION

The Allison 1000/2000/2400 series are torque converter driven, fully automatic transmissions with 5 or 6 forward speeds. 5th and 6th are overdrive gears, and the overall ratios are dependent on model. All have a neutral and reverse gear as well, and the 1000 and 2400 series have a park position which actuates an integral park pawl. The basic max ratings for this series of transmission is 300HP, 550lb-ft input torque without SEM/torque management, 620lb-ft input torque with SEM/torque management, and 850lb-ft turbine torque. These are the ratings published by Allison for MD on-road use. As we know, the ratings for GM pickups with the DMax are higher, but the GVW and duty cycle of a pickup are less than a Md truck, so Allison rates the trans conservatively. No doubt the software in the TCM has a huge impact on the amount of power the trans can really take. GVW and GCW ratings of the trans depends mainly on whether the unit has a park pawl (units with park pawl are rated lower). GVW varies from 19,500lbs for the 1000 series to 33,000lbs for units without park. GCW ranges from 26,000lbs to 33,000lbs. Complete ratings and specs can be found here.

The gear ratios for the various models are as follows:

..........1000..........2000/2400

  • 1st.....3.10...........3.51
  • 2nd....1.81...........1.90
  • 3rd.....1.41...........1.44
  • 4th.....1.00...........1.00
  • 5th.....0.71...........0.74
  • 6th.....0.61...........0.64 (06-up models only)
  • Rev.....4.49...........5.09

INTERNAL OPERATION

Internally, the transmissions have three planetary gear sets controlled by 5 sets of clutches, labeled C1-C5. 2 clutch packs (C1-C2) are rotating, and transfer input torque to certain elements in the planetary sets, while the remaining 3 sets (c3-C5) are stationary and lock each of the ring gears and their coupled components to the case when engaged. These transmissions contain no bands, sprags, or roller clutches - all gear changes are accomplished by direct clutch-to-clutch changes. Clutch engagements for each gear are as follows:

.............C1........C2........C3........C4........C5

  • Park..........................................................*
  • Rev.........................................................
  • Neu..........................................................*
  • 1st..........................................................
  • 2nd........................................................
  • 3rd.........................................................
  • 4th.........................................................
  • 5th.........................................................
  • 6th......................................................... (06-up models only)

VALVE BODY AND TRANSMISSION ELECTRICAL

Shifting is controlled electronically. The valve body contains 6 (03-earlier) or 7 (04-up) solenoids which control all functions. Solenoids A and B are "trim" solenoids that regulate the pressure on the oncoming and off-going clutches. both are pressure proportional to current (PPC) solenoids which operate at a frequency of 1KHz. Solenoid A is normally closed, providing full line pressure at zero current and zero pressure at 100% current. Solenoid B is normally open and provides zero pressure at zero current and full line pressure at 100% current. Solenoid A controls the oncoming and applied clutches while B controls the off-going clutch. In the event of a power or TCM failure solenoid, A will default to full pressure while B defaults to zero pressure, giving a limp-home capability. 04-up valve bodies incorporate a G solenoid which reduces the main line pressure by approximately 100psi during idle and low load operation, reducing heat generation. The F solenoid controls TCC apply and release. On 05-earlier models this is a PWM solenoid operating at 100Hz, while 06-up use a PPC solenoid operating at 1KHz.

Shifting is controlled by 3 normally closed solenoids, C, D, and E. These solenoids are strictly binary, applying either full line pressure or exhaust to its associated spool valve. The logical combination of these 3 valves determines which clutches are applied. Contrary to what some believe, the solenoids do not directly operate the clutches. The spools and solenoids are arranged so that each shift change will exhaust the off-going clutch via the solenoid B path while applying pressure to the oncoming clutch via the solenoid A pressure. Because of this, shifts must be sequential - the transmission will not skip gears when upshifting or downshifting. It also means that it is not possible to apply random sets of clutches, although it is possible that the unused solenoid combinations could create a non-valid clutch condition (i.e. C2 and C5 applied) which would create a lockup. There have been anecdotes of aftermarket controllers applying all 5 clutch packs while at speed, but I don't believe it is possible to apply more than 2 clutches with the arrangement of valving in the VB. That is not confirmed, however...

Here are the solenoid combos for the various gears:

.............C...........D...........E
  • Park.............................*
  • Rev................................
  • Neu..............................*
  • 1st.....................*.............
  • 2nd.................................. (If power is lost or TCM is inoperative, this is the limp mode gear)
  • 3rd.......*..........................
  • 4th.................................
  • 5th...................................*
  • 6th ???????????????????? (Don't have info for this....)

The VB also contains a pressure switch assembly which gives feedback to the TCM on which solenoids are engaged. The PSA also houses the trans temp sensor, which is a negative temperature coefficient thermistor. All VB electricals are passed through the case using a standard GM 20-pin connector, identical to the one used on the late 4l60Es and 4L80Es. Looking at the connector in the trans, starting with the upper left and working left to right, top to bottom, the pins are labeled A-W, with the letters I, O, and Q not used. The pin assignments and color codes of the INTERNAL wiring harness for 5-speed models are as follows:

  • A - Dk Green - Shift Solenoid C
  • B - Orange/Black - Shift Solenoid D
  • C - Pink - Power to shift solenoids C, D, and E
  • D - Lt Green - PSA terminal A
  • E - Red - PSA terminal C
  • F - Blue - PSa terminal B
  • G - Orange - PSA terminal E
  • H - Black - PSA terminal F
  • J - Brown - TCC solenoid F
  • K - Tan - PSA terminal D
  • L - Red/Black - Trim Solenoid A
  • M - Lt Blue - Trim Solenoid A
  • N - Gray - Trim Solenoid B
  • P - Purple - Trim Solenoid B
  • R - ????? - Line Pressure Solenoid G (04-up only)
  • S - Black - TCC Solenoid F
  • T - Tan - PSA terminal F
  • U - Green - IC to terminal V
  • V - Green - IC to terminal U
  • W - Black/Tan - Shift Solenoid E

For 6-speed models, the internal connections are as follows (no color codes - sorry:

  • A - Shift solenoid C
  • B - Shift solenoid D
  • C - Shift solenoid E
  • D - PSA terminal A
  • E - PSA terminal C
  • F - PSA terminal B
  • G - PSA terminal E
  • H - PSA terminal F, IMS terminal F
  • J - TCC solenoid F
  • K - PSA terminal D
  • L - Trim solenoid A, TCC solenoid F, main pressure solenoid G
  • M - Trim solenoid A
  • N - Trim solenoid B, shift solenoids C, D, and E
  • P - Trim solenoid B
  • R - IMS terminal A
  • S - Main pressure solenoid G
  • T - IMS terminal E
  • U - IMS terminal D
  • V - IMS terminal C
  • W - IMS terminal B

Other electrical components include 3 (05-earlier GM apps) or 2 (06-up GM apps) variable reluctance speed sensors and an NSBU (Neutral Start back-Up) switch (05-earlier) or IMS (Internal Mode Switch - 06-up). The first speed sensor is in the bell housing and gets its signal from the pump vane ribs in the converter housing. On 6-speed GM apps, the bell housing speed sensor is deleted, and the TCM instead gets engine speed information from the ECM via the GMLAN bus. The second sensor is the turbine speed sensor in the main housing, and pics up off of either the PTO gear or a stamped steel tone ring that replaces the PTO gear in units without a PTO option. Finally, 2WD transmissions have an output speed sensor in the output housing that reads off of a 40-tooth tone ring on the output shaft. 4WD models use the speed sensor and 40 tooth tone ring in the transfer case tail housing. 4WD models have a switch input to notify the TCM that 4Lo mode is engaged, and the TCM makes appropriate compensation for the TC low gear ratio.

The NSBU switch on the 01-02 5 speeds is essentially identical to that used on the 4L60Es. There are 2 receptacles on the NSBU. The 4-pin gives the TCM information regarding the gear selected, while the 7-pin accesses switches are used for P-N starter lockout and backup lights. The 4-pin receptacle's pins are marked A, B, C, and D. Depending on the shift position selected, a combination of 2 of these pins will be grounded. Here's the table, with the grounded pins marked with an asterisk:

.............A...........B...........C.........D
  • P.................................................
  • R................................................
  • N...............................................
  • D................................................
  • 3...................................................
  • 2................................................
  • 1...............................................

Since only 2 terminals or no terminals (in the case of 3rd) are valid combinations, the TCM can sometimes determine if there is a wiring or switch malfunction. The standard wiring color codes and their connection to the TCM J2 connector for the 4-pin receptacle are as follows:

  • A - Blue - pin 5
  • B - Gray - pin 7
  • C - White - pin 8
  • D - Yellow - pin 6

NOTE: On GM pickups, these wires go to the ECM, which then buffers and feeds them to the TCM. On stand-alone apps, they will be wired directly to the TCM. This is a helpful bit of info for those modding a GM pickup harness ;)

The 7-pin connector on the NSBU has pins labeled A-G, and their corresponding wire colors and assignments are as follows:

  • A - Not used
  • B - Tan - Park Accessory
  • C - Blue - Rev/Park Accessory fuse
  • D - Green - TCM analog ground (TCM J2 connector, pin 20)
  • E - Yellow - Park/neutral start battery feed
  • F - Pink - backup lamps
  • G - Orange - Starter relay

03-05 models used a very similar NSBU switch assembly, except they have a single connector that contains all the pins, rather than 2 separate connectors.

06-up 6-speed transmissions no longer use an external NSBU switch. The external switches were prone to failure caused by internal corrosion due to exposure to water. The park and reverse accessory and backup lamp switch functions were moved to the column. Park/neutral and gear selector position info on these transmissions is done with an internal mode switch (IMS) mounted on the rooster comb inside the transmission. Its functions are brought out through the 20-pin connector on the transmission (see above). The F pin on the IMS is common, and depending on position one or more of the remaining pins will be switched to the F pin. Pin A is connected to the ECM, and is used to notify it that the transmission is in either park or neutral, thus allowing the engine to be cranked. The final 4 (B-E) are connected directly to the TCM and tell it what range is selected, NOTE; On GM trucks, the PRNDL is labeled P-R-N-D-M-1, with only those 6 positions available via the column shifter. However, the transmission itself has 7 positions internally - the last position is simply not used in GM vehicles, and the travel is limited in the column shifter so a GM vehicle cannot physically shift into the last position. However, a DIY shifter setup WILL be able to shift into that last position unless it is likewise limited (i.e. using a 3-speed floor shifter rather than a 4-speed floor shifter).

Note that these pin assignments are those of the switch itself, NOT the 20-pin external connector. Refer to the external pinout description above for the 6-speed to find the external pins connected to these internal pins.

............A............B............C............D............E
  • P....................................*.............................
  • R..................................................................
  • N.................................................*...............
  • D..................................................................
  • 3...............................................................
  • 2..................................................................
  • 1..................................................................

Information continued in later posts.
 
#756 ·
I dropped a Cummins ISB170 into my 08 Dakota back in 2012 with an NV4500 trans. Its been an amazing truck to tow our small 5th wheel across North America for the last 7 years. Now I'm having issues with my knees and cant push the damn clutch pedal anymore. I want to install an Allison 1000 6 speed. Does anyone know if I can just pick up one of the Duramax ones with a DD T case and use a Medium duty TCM to talk to my Cummins? I have a 5 speed 1000 for parts so I have the bellhousing. I know the easy solution is to just use the 5 speed and change the extension housing to the 4X4 one but I'm after as much fuel economy as possible.
 
#757 ·
The ISB170 (3.9L) mated to a 5 speed Allison 1000 was an OE configuration in several chassis, such as the Workhorse. I don't recall off the top of my heads which truck chassis ran the ISB4.5 and an Allison 1000 or 2000, but I'm sure it's been done. In fact, because parameters like RPM, torque request, torque output, etc. are all standard CAN parameters, an Allison TCM programmed for use with a 6 cylinder ISB should work turn-key behind a 4 cylinder ISB.

Here's a Workhorse chassis with a 170HP ISB3.9 and a 5 speed Allison 1000.

Again, because CAN bus codes are standardized and defuel capability is built into all ECM's, it should be possible to simply replace the 5 speed trans and TCM with a 6 speed trans and TCM with a MD cal and have it work fine.

Finally, while I agree that 6 speeds are generally better than 5, it also depends on your gearing. 5th speed in an Allison, whether a 5 or 6 speed version, is 0.71 (or 0.74 for the versions with the lower planetary sets). This is already taller than 5th gear in the 4500 (0.75), so if your Dakota is geared for decent highway cruise RPM you may find that 6th rarely gets used. So, if you already have a complete, working 5 speed 1000 with TCM ready to go, I'd run it. You can always swap in a 6 speed later if you decide it's necessary. Also, while the 6 speed input drum is somewhat simplified and improved over the 5 speed version, the 5 speed trans overall is plenty fine for the power and torque of an ISB170. That being the case, you could simply change the VB, delete the external switch assembly and install the internal switch (requires 6 speed shifter shaft also of I'm not mistaken), and get a 6 speed TCM and harness, and your 5 speed becomes a 6 speed. You could even swap to the 6 speed input drum if you wanted the updated parts (you need the COMPLETE drum assembly, minus the gear. 6 speed gear wont work with the 5 speed planetary sets). All of that depends on the cost of good used parts vs a complete trans.
 
#758 ·
Wow, thanks for the extensive reply MaxPF.
That is the same model chassis that my engine came from, 03 Workhorse with 90,000km on it. Unfortunately I did not get the trans from that one because I would never consider driving an automatic. ;>) I put another 100,000km on the engine since then and picked up a whole other workhorse chassis for parts a couple of years ago which is where the Allison sits now.
It has high mileage so I was looking at getting it rebuilt and the reason for looking at going 6 speed in the process.
So my options are:
Rebuild the 5 speed and run what I have.
Buy a rebuilt or low mileage 6 speed and find a controller from a MD truck to run it.
Does it matter what the 6 speed is out of? Will a Dmax trans work with a MD controller?
Here is the pie in the sky question. Is it possible to run the cruise and T/H from the Dakota system via CAN?
 
#759 ·
Wow, thanks for the extensive reply MaxPF.
That is the same model chassis that my engine came from, 03 Workhorse with 90,000km on it. Unfortunately I did not get the trans from that one because I would never consider driving an automatic. ;>) I put another 100,000km on the engine since then and picked up a whole other workhorse chassis for parts a couple of years ago which is where the Allison sits now.
It has high mileage so I was looking at getting it rebuilt and the reason for looking at going 6 speed in the process.
So my options are:
Rebuild the 5 speed and run what I have.
Buy a rebuilt or low mileage 6 speed and find a controller from a MD truck to run it.
Does it matter what the 6 speed is out of? Will a Dmax trans work with a MD controller?
The transmissions are all the same internally. A MD controller will work fine on a trans out
of a DMax truck.

Here is the pie in the sky question. Is it possible to run the cruise and T/H from the Dakota system via CAN?
I have no idea :unsure: Doesn't hurt to give it a try, tho...
 
#760 ·
Hello all, trying to avoid reading all 38 pages but will do if necessary. Just joined the board as we installed a 4BT and Allison 1000 5 speed out of a 2001-02 Freightliner bread van into a 1950 American La France fire engine for our local fire dept to use in parades. Installation went well and its running and driving. Its using the factory van wiring harness and computers. Problem I am having is the trans is in limp mode and will not shift out of third. Is there a wiring instruction out there as I am guessing I need to tap into some more of the cut wiring for the computer to be happy. I did check the pin outs and I have good power and grounds going to the trans computer. Wiring to all three trans sensors is good check from computer plug to sensor plugs. All three trans speed sensors ohm out between 2.1 to 2.7k.

Thanks Tom
Full Circle Restorations
 
#761 ·
Do you have someone who can plug in a scanner and pull the fault codes?
 
#764 ·
I’m sure the answer is somewhere in this excellent thread, but I don’t think I can read 39 pages right now, so I will just ask. Is there a way to do a Cummins swap into an early 2000 Ford F-250 super duty, using off the shelf parts, to run an Allison automatic? Maybe using an SAE #2 bellhousing and a flex plate and torque converter from a medium duty application?
 
#765 ·
Yes. OE MD Cummins and Allison 1000/2000/2400 combos use SAE #3 flywheel housings.
 
#772 ·
Thanks for being a good sport and letting me bounce these questions off of you. Finding definitive answers on these questions is not easy. So now I am pretty sure that an Allison 1000/2000/2400 uses an SAE #3 to get paired up with a Cummins 6B/4B variant engine, my next question is will one of these transmissions with this bellhousing fit in the transmission tunnel of a Ford super duty pick up truck.?
 
#774 ·
The SAE 3 is most common, but SAE 2 is also available for the 1k/2k series. I have never seen one myself, but the part number exists in the book. Every Allison 1K/2K I have seen behind a Cummins has been SAE 3.

The trans should fit in a Super Duty just fine. It's no bigger than the ZF 6 speed manual. Biggest fitment gotcha will be the SAE 3 flywheel housing that bolts to the engine. They are bulky and usually have big mounting pads on them that often need to be cut off for fitment in pckups. You can get it to fit, but you may have to do some firewall/front tunnel massaging, a 1" body lift, or other minor mods. Nothing insurmountable. Just try it without any mods first and see if there is a combination of engine position (height, setback, angle) that lets it fit without mods. If not, mod as needed.

FWIW, I am in the planning stages of a swap myself. Once again, my old ankle injury is rearing it's ugly head and I think working the clutch is just aggravating rather than exercising it. I was prepared to do the swap years ago but ended up keeping the manual and selling the swap off. The new swap is planned to be a 2010-up GM 1000 with the variable line pressure valve body and HD 4WD tailhousing. However, that depends on whether the Allison SAE 3 bellhousing will work on the newer GM 1000's. I'm still researching that part. Anyway, I intend to either make an adapter ring for the Dodge flywheel housing to SAE 3, or fabricate a shorty SAE 3 housing from scratch. The standard SAE 3 housing is too darn long and bulky for my truck, but otherwise the round configuration that fits tight to the converter is ideal. I don't want to use the GM bellhousing because I don't want the starter on the pass. side where I have to run exhaust and other items.
 
#766 ·
I'm working on a 5 speed Allison swap that I can't get out of limp mode. Everything seems like it's right, but it still doesn't work. It's an 01 trans with an 01 tcm from an 8.1 truck. I've got a Tech 2 and everything looks good, but when I select reverse, it commands neutral, and when I select drive, it commands 2nd. I'm pulling my hair out over this thing so hopefully someone can give me some words of wisdom. There is one thing that is odd, and maybe someone can tell me if its right or not. The case of the tcm that says "do not ground to chassis" shows continuity to the chassis ground with the plugs plugged in, but if you unplug them, it's not grounded. Is that how it normally is, or is something wrong with my tcm?
 
#767 ·
The most common cause of such problems is the NSBU switch. If the retaining screws are loosened it can be rotated a bit. With the trans in park, try adjusting it's rotational position. It could also be the adjustment of the shifter/shift cable itself. In fact, if no codes are being thrown then the shifter or cable being out of adjustment is most likely.

The TCM case should not be grounded. Mount it on rubber or plastic isolators. I do believe the case will show continuity to ground with the harness plugged in, but it is grounding through the MOSFET drivers. Thats why the case must be isolated.
 
#768 ·
Thanks for the reply Max. I went to replace the internal harness because I noticed I wasn't getting a temp sensor reading, and I had a slight leak through the plug, and when I pulled the pan off my Craig's List transmission, I saw that the psm was completely MISSING! I bought one of those and put it on, and bam, I've got reverse and 1st gear!

Now I go to drive it and it is randomly commanding neutral. I'm guessing that I do in fact also have a bad NSBU, or possibly even the wrong one. It wasn't actually bolted on when I bought the trans, so who knows what's up with it. I guess I'll replace that and see what happens.

My only other question is about the torque management. I'm using the stock 8.1 programming right now. Would the torque management react badly and randomly command neutral? I've got the unmanaged torque wire tied into the Cat tps connection as outlined earlier in the thread.
 
#769 ·
Problems with the NSBU should throw a DTC, and it wouldn't cause the trans to go into neutral. In fact, the computer cannot command neutral in the 1000/2000/2400 series. It can only be selected by the manual shift lever. This doesn't mean a malfunction couldn't cause the trans to not engage an oncoming clutch, just that the TCM cannot specifically select a neutral gear. You need to describe more thoroughly what it is doing.

Torque management won't do anything if the engine doesn't have the ability to reduce torque by command. The TCM may expect reduced torque input and you coud get a "flare" during the shift, but the TCM should learn and tighten it up unless your engine is putting out substantially more torque than a stock 1000 is rated for (600+lb-ft).
 
#770 ·
When it drops into neutral, it seems to usually be at a low speed, low tps situation. If I pull it into reverse to back out and just ease into the throttle, it will usually go to neutral before I get completely backed out of the drive, and I look over at the Tech 2, and it says gear selected - 7 (reverse), gear commanded - 0 (neutral) :unsure:. If I pull it into gear and stab the throttle pretty hard, it will usually stay in gear until I let off and get almost completely stopped. When it does go into neutral, I can shift to any other position or to neutral and back where it was, and it will go into gear again, no restart required. I haven't been able to drive it much, but I don't think it has ever happened at more than 7-8% TPS.

That's good to know on the torque management. That's been my main concern since I started the swap, but sounds like that's nothing to worry about for me. I've got it behind a mechanical 6.5l TD, so it's 400 lb.ft. or less.
 
#771 ·
That's a new one on me. I misspoke when I said that the TCM cannot command neutral. Technically, it can and does in park or neutral, but the manual selector switch also controls the neutral hydraulic flow. The TCM should never command the neutral solenoid combo (all three shift solenoids active) when the NSBU/IMS indicates a valid forward or reverse gear is selected. Since your Tech II says that reverse is selected, that leads me to believe the NSBU is working properly. No guaranteed, of course, but as I said a bad NSBU will typically throw a code because there will be a mismatch between the gear it says is selected and the hydraulic info being given by the PSA. Are you certain there are no DTC's?
 
#773 ·
There are no DTCs, but I've done a little more diagnosis. I checked the part # on my NSBU, and it is for a 4L80E so I ordered the correct one and installed, but no difference. I drove it a little more, and I cannot get past 2nd gear. For some reason the trans cannot "see" it shift to 2nd, so it never commands 3rd. When I get the shift to 2nd, the Tech2 still says, current gear is 1. I thought the PSA was supposed to tell it what gear it is in, and it is new as well as the internal wiring harness, and I've double checked both ends of both harnesses and everything goes where it is supposed to. Could there be something in the valve body messed up not showing the PSA the proper pressures?

Also, I've noticed that when it drops itself into neutral, it looks like the speed signal is going away. I'm using a pulse generator on the cable drive of my np205 for the output speed. For some reason it is slow to show output speed. It usually will read either 0 or 29-30 rpm when I'm stopped and won't pick up actual speed until its getting 400-500 rpm on the output. Is anyone else using one of these Dakota Digital pulse generators successfully? I need some words of wisdom...
 
#775 ·
There are no DTCs, but I've done a little more diagnosis. I checked the part # on my NSBU, and it is for a 4L80E so I ordered the correct one and installed, but no difference. I drove it a little more, and I cannot get past 2nd gear. For some reason the trans cannot "see" it shift to 2nd, so it never commands 3rd. When I get the shift to 2nd, the Tech2 still says, current gear is 1. I thought the PSA was supposed to tell it what gear it is in, and it is new as well as the internal wiring harness, and I've double checked both ends of both harnesses and everything goes where it is supposed to. Could there be something in the valve body messed up not showing the PSA the proper pressures?

Also, I've noticed that when it drops itself into neutral, it looks like the speed signal is going away. I'm using a pulse generator on the cable drive of my np205 for the output speed. For some reason it is slow to show output speed. It usually will read either 0 or 29-30 rpm when I'm stopped and won't pick up actual speed until its getting 400-500 rpm on the output. Is anyone else using one of these Dakota Digital pulse generators successfully? I need some words of wisdom...
If it's losing speed signal that may certainly be the issue. You need to figure out why that signal is going away. Did you use a twisted pair of wire going from the sensor to the controller? Non-twisted pairs will pick up noise and screw up the works.
 
#776 ·
It was the speed sensor signal that was the whole problem. I eliminated the Dakota Digital setup and installed a factory tone wheel on the driveshaft carrier bearing. Then I fabbed a bracket to hold a factory speed sensor and voila, it shifts through all the gears and hasn't dropped into neutral once! I'm hoping my external speed sensor will be reliable, but if not, I guess I'll have the 205 machined for a factory style vss. At least now I know everything works even if it needs some tweaking here or there to be actually "finished". Thanks Max for your responses as well as all the work you put in to get this thread started, what a great resource!
 
#777 ·
Good to hear you got it worked out! (y)
 
#781 ·
I'm somewhat confused about mounting a late NP205 transfer case to an Allison. In what situation will a 205 bolt up to an Allison without the need for a spacer? Would installing a 29 spline female input or if the 205 already had a female 205 input be sufficient to mate the transfer case and Allison without using a spacer? Female 29 Spline NP205 Input Gear
If you use that ORD input gear, then you can indeed bolt a round pattern 205 directly to a round pattern 4WD Allison tailhousing. You will have to cut out a semi-circle in the t-case mounting face on the trans for the rear shift rail if you go that route. Make sure you have front driveshaft clearance by doing a mock fit-up. This means removing the front shift shaft, which is it's own PITA, but you don't want to notch out your tailhousing for the shifter shaft only to find that you have to clock the t-case up or push it back, both of which involve spacers anyway.

Max, does this look right?

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You got the basics down fine. As far as EFI Live "version", you will need the latest software for the Flashscan. If you are asking which Flashscan, it's going to be the Flashscan V2.


Thanks for all the fantastic info MaxPF. So if I pick up a late model trans and Tcase from a Dmax can I just run my existing 5 speed TCM to get me going? Using my SAE bell and sensor.
Any years of Dmax?
This keeps my wiring stock and if i want to upgrade to the 6 speed in the future its just TCM/wiring change. Buying a 4X4 housing, output shaft and differant Tcase is almost the same cost as a used Dmax setup.
My console shifter just has PRND, there is no reason to have the 1st position from an operational standpoint?
No. The valve bodies in the 5 and 6 speeds use different solenoids with different electrical characteristics. You cannot use a 5 speed TCM on a 6 speed VB or vice-versa. You CAN swap the 5 speed parts (valve body, shifter shaft, internal wiring harness, and external NSBU/mode switch) into a 6 speed, and that WILL allow you to use the 5 speed TCM. Just make sure you keep all the 6 speed parts nice and clean, put away in ziploc baggies or whatever, as you will have to swap them all back in to run a 6 speed TCM.
 
#782 · (Edited)
Guys, please help! I have been stalking this discussion for two years now. After putting the final touches on my 2002 Ram,5.9 cummings 3500 2wd Allison swap, And removing the bad NV5600, I turned the key and my 13 tooth factory starter drive is hitting the flix plate front with zero engagement, after being on the phone all day with napa we came to the conclusion, that I needed the ten tooth drive. Now for the info, you need to know on my swap. I took the cheap commercial route. My donor trans is out of a low mile 2009 Silverado 2500. my flix plate number is 3918959. what starter do I need? I know I posted this in the wrong way.. and if so give me a hard time but please help, I need this truck running in the worst way!
 
#783 ·
Do you have the part number for the SAE #3 housing? Or, do you know what the original application that housing came out of? Either of those will be needed to definitively determine which starter part # is the correct one.
 
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I'm not sure what the donor vehicle the swap kit came out of. I would think a med duty app of some sort that had the 5.9 Cummins and Allison. I picked it up on eBay for 199.00. no one bid was told it would keep the starter on the same side, so no rewiring needed. here's a photo of the parts I used in the swap. I do have the flexplate ID number 3918959
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#787 ·
The listing shows what P/N flywheel housing you have: 3925223. I believe the starter you need is a 6573.
 
#788 ·
This thread is going strong for over 10 years - THANKS to MaxPF for maintaining it.

Russ
 
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