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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Ok, so there seems to be a ton of misinformation out there regarding the TDI motors and swapping them. I'm here to set this straight! I own a TDI specialty shop and have been working/modifying/swapping them for 7 years now. I've been there and done that with just about every avenue regarding them and will try to share my knowledge. I'm not going to discuss the IDIs are I feel they're barely adequate for a lawnmower on a good day with a hurricane tailwind.


List of basic motors that are out there that are good for swapping.
  • AHU/1Z - These are found in 96-98 Jettas and Passats. These are the old-style blocks with an intermediate shaft and external water pump that are basically the same from the mid-'70s till 98. Easy to recognize by stamped steel valve cover with 3 bolts in the center holding it down. They come with a wastegate turbo that's the size of a pop can. The wiring harness is very simple and the ECU doesn't have an immobilizer. However, to tune the ECU it needs to be socketed and burned chips installed. Not a huge deal for any tuner, just an added annoyance IMO. They can be converted for VNT turbo operation by a vent-specific ECU tune and a 00-03 N75 turbo solenoid valve. Extremely worthwhile if you insist on using this motor. The main drawbacks to these motors are: slightly poorer flowing heads than later motors, the tendency for oil leaks, 80kmi timing belt intervals, accessory bracketing sucks, and the ECU is rather dumb (think dos vs windows 98). If you're not planning on much over 150hp and you get one for cheap, they'll serve you well enough. If you want lots of power, skip to the next options.
  • ALH - Found in 00-03 Jettas, golfs, and beetles. Technically ALH's were available in beetles from 98-03, but the 98-99 beetle ECU/harnesses are bastard child and totally unique. Trust me when I say stay away unless you get them for free, in that case, sell them for a 00-03 ECU/harnesses. You'll thank me later.

This is my personal favorite, basically the 4bt of the VW world. Simple and best bang for the buck to modify. Can be brought up to a reliable 200hp/350tq with bolt-ons, 275hp/450tq if you want to delve inside. ALH was the first diesel of the new engine block design that did away with the intermediate shaft and external water pump. Uses many fewer gaskets so generally much lower tendency to leak oil. Easy to recognize by cast aluminum valve cover held with 5mm Allen perimeter bolts. If you can, get the motor (or at least the injection pump) off of an automatic car. Auto cars had 11mm plunger pumps, manuals had 10mm plungers. These motors have VNT turbos that are mounted on a turbo-fold. Kind of a pain for starter clearance on passenger side starter swaps. The easy solution is to get a 04-05 Passat TDI manifold & turbo (small upgrade from stock ALH turbo) or any of the aftermarket 8 valve 4 cylinder exhaust manifolds on e bay and put on a bigger turbo (you know you want more power). Either of those manifold options will pick the turbo up and away from the motor giving you more clearance for starters.

The wiring on these may look somewhat intimidating at first to those that aren't electrical friendly, but once you get it, it's extremely simple. The ECU for these is also much smarter than the older ones and is OBD flashable with a loader. Once the immobilizer is deleted by a tuner, there is no need to use OEM key, cluster, or any of that crap. I can't even say how many people I've seen go through the hassle of trying to hide an OEM key and cluster because so and so told them there was no way around it. Total BS there.

  • BEW - These are found in 04-05.5 Golfs, Jettas, and beetles. These are unit injections, with no external injection pump. Same short block as an ALH, just a different head. ECU/harness on these is very similar to the ALH once stripped for swap use and immobilizer deleted. The only major issue with these (and any of the unit injection motors) is that the cams are ground wrong from the factory with incorrect geometry. Somewhere between 50K and 150K, the cam and lifters will need replacing. The good news is a few years back I worked directly with Colt Cams to develop fixed profile cams that don't eat themselves. The bad news is because the cam is billet steel, it isn't a cheap job. A cam kit with cam/lifters/bearings/gaskets is $920. However, these motors are very quiet and smooth compared to the AHU/ALH. Power potential with these is just as good as the ALH, just more expensive to upgrade injectors on these vs the earlier rotary injected motors.
  • BHW - Found in 04-05 Passats. These are the most powerful factory TDI motor offered in the US at 135hp/236tq. With just a tune these jump to 170/325. Also the only factory longitudinal motor so accessories and oil pan are much more suited for longitudinal swaps. They also have a more traditional turbo/manifold setup that puts the turbo up much higher than any of the first 3 motors talked about. The turbo is also 3mm larger, and will make about 20hp more than stock ALH/BEW turbo. These are basically the same as a BEW with slightly larger injectors, 81mm vs 79.5mm bore (these are a 2.0L instead of a 1.9L), 2mm larger rod journals, and 1 point lower CR. With the bigger rods, these will hold 240whp on stock internals without ever taking the head off (~275hp with a ported head), just a $200 set of arp studs for cheap insurance. The downside with these is they have the same cam issues as BEWs. One other unique item these have that must be addressed is a chain-driven balance shaft module that bolts to the bottom of the block. It's a piece of epic fail that you need to toss in the scrap bin. The normal oil pump and chain drive from an ALH/BEW bolts right on and fixes that clusterfook. I'll post PN's for that later on.
  • BRM - Found in 05.5-06 Jetta and beetle. VW's next block architecture design with a $120 rear main seal. It's basically a slightly updated BEW with a high mount turbo and more EGR bs. I would suggest avoiding it unless you get it dirt cheap as it is a unique wiring harness/sensors. The ALH/BHW/BEW share many of the common maintenance items that are much cheaper. These also are unit injections and have the same cam issues.
  • CBEA - Found in 09-12 jetta and golfs. These are the latest and greatest common rail, DOHC motors chocked full of emissions garbage courtesy of uncle sam. Great platform for power once "fixed", but still too expensive/complex for mainstream swaps just yet. I'd suggest sticking with one of the older motors for a few more years. I'm putting one right now into a race car at work, but the budget is of no concern when the customer is some hedge fund manager. Must be nice :eek:

Many more updates will be added over the next few days. sleepy time now. Stay tuned.
 
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I know very little about boats. So just a passing question. Does anybody make a reversible rotation prop? Could that eliminate the need for a reverse rotation drive?
 
#39 · (Edited by Moderator)
The rotation can be handled through the drive. Velvet makes left and right rotation drives, or used to. I think it's as simple as a gear swap to reverse the rotation. The only bad thing about having the props rotating the same way is prop walk, where the boat's stern wants to go to one side or the other. It's bad in reverse on some boats. Counter rotating props compensate for that somewhat. It may be possible to re-prop to compensate for the rotation. I don't know. I'm not a prop guy. I would consult a local prop shop.


Good discussion in this thread about dealing with heat. alh m-Tdi marinisation to match Mercruiser Gen1 drive

@dieselram94, the earlier 1.9TDI ALH can take a cable throttle. They are the easiest to convert and have the potential to make good reliable power with bolt ons. One thing to note here is the VW TDI has a redline around 4800rpm stock. I think your Chrysler's redline is around 5500 rpm. Is this correct? An MTDI will lose some efficiency and power. Malone in Canada can reprogram the computer to make more power and keep things running smooth and cool.

Malone Tuning ECU Tuning For Audi and Volkswagen

A few more links to info. This first one is good, or was good.
CDK is a good fellow to talk to about VW conversions.
Marinizing VW turbodiesel engines

More info from the guy on the TDI forum with video.
VW Audi 1.9 TDI marinization

More.
VW 1.9L PD TDI Marinizing
 
#41 ·
The rotation can be handled through the drive. Velvet makes left and right rotation drives, or used to. I think it's as simple as a gear swap to reverse the rotation. The only bad thing about having the props rotating the same way is prop walk, where the boat's stern wants to go to one side or the other. It's bad in reverse on some boats. Counter rotating props compensate for that somewhat. It may be possible to re-prop to compensate for the rotation. I don't know. I'm not a prop guy. I would consult a local prop shop.


Good discussion in this thread about dealing with heat. http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=413125

@dieselram94, the earlier 1.9TDI ALH can take a cable throttle. They are the easiest to convert and have the potential to make good reliable power with bolt ons. One thing to note here is the VW TDI has a redline around 4800rpm stock. I think your Chrysler's redline is around 5500 rpm. Is this correct? An MTDI will lose some efficiency and power. Malone in Canada can reprogram the computer to make more power and keep things running smooth and cool.

https://malonetuning.com/ecu-tuning/audi-volkswagen/tdi

A few more links to info. This first one is good, or was good.
CDK is a good fellow to talk to about VW conversions.
https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/marinizing-vw-turbodiesel-engines.19118/

More info from the guy on the TDI forum with video.
https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/vw-audi-1-9-tdi-marinization.52760/

More.
https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/vw-1-9l-pd-tdi-marinizing.50228/
Thanks!!! I’ve been reading through all those links. Very interesting info!
As far as redline goes, I’m not sure! Lol! I inherited this boat from my buddy. He just bought it last summer. We built a junkyard 318 for it just to get it up and running for him with plans to drop in a 4bt. It will be used mainly in Penobscot Bay offof midcoast Maine. So I think being able to plane really won’t matter as it’s usually a bit to rough to plane anyways. I really want to get away from the 22 gallons per hour fuel consumption it’s currently rated at.


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#43 · (Edited)
You shouldn't need a mechancial throttle. Keeping the ecu will usually allow more power and more/smoother efficiency.

I also have a flybridge 26 ft carver getting the 2.0 BHW

I will set the throttle assembly near the engine bay and remove the throttle cable off of the back of the block.

The throttle cable will now push the throttle pedal. This keeping the original dual helm controls.

As for cooling, the guy with the searay 25 had perfomance issues with his water cooled exhaust.

Im only water injecting the down pipe.

Even then im regulating it as to only provide enough to cool, excess will be dumped out overboard.

I will have my intake, turbo hot side housing and turbo manifold heat coated with white lightening. This will keep egt away from iat, keeping surfaces much cooler. I will then pack ceramic wool around and under manifolds then lava wrap it in, keeping exhaust away from intake as much as possible. Since they share the same side of the head it will not be perfect.

I will also have a turbo blanket and jacket for downpipe.

If engine bay temps are still too bad or iat goes 60 deg over ambiant temps ill put copper tubing around the ceramic wool with water pumped thru the tubes to help carry away the heat.

Depending on engine hatch temps i may also put one or more fans on the side of the engine hatch to suck in cool air. I also have room for 2 bilge fans i can mount in their to suck out hot air. My hatch is raised off the floor and has a seat on top. Ill just make the seat stretch across the rear transom so the fans wont be seen unless the seat is raised, if the fans are needed. Im not sure if yours is flush with the deck or not.

Ill also dyno mat the entire inside of the hatch to keep down noise and protect everything from heat

Im still seaching for the magic number of what is an acceptable engine bay temp. Many working boats use 100% dry exhasut with diesels.

Because of my hull shape and outdrive my boat does not do well at or under hull sleed (around 7mph) it goes whatever direction currents or winds want it to.

Your boat having a rudder should react differently and if you want it used as a displacement boat (slow efficient relaxing or working speeds under 10mph) you can always play with rudder shape or size which i dont have the ability to do.
 
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#49 ·
I may give Malone tuning a call too. Ive sent several emails and made a phone call to whitebread about tuning and have heard nothing back. I'll be ready to send off my ecu in about 2 weeks.


Make sure you look into mods on the new 2.0 if you are going beyond stock as they are different beasts than the 1.9/2.0 tdi we all know.
 
#50 ·
The immobilizer delete is old hat for any tuner regularly involved in the tdi game--kerma, Malone, rocketchip, etc.
Rick, I believe you've been speaking of whitbread, as in Matt Whitbread. He runs a shop in the northern Midwest, iirc, and stays busy.
Anyway all of these engines basically swap in about the same and there's plenty of documentation around for the bew or brm engines that you'll find in the 06 tdi. As valuable a resource as 4btswaps is, for tdi engines you can't beat tdiclub.com.

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#52 ·
That's a good deal! The injection pump alone sells for about half that, being as how it has an 11mm plunger. Nozzles are a relatively cheap upgrade and net big returns on performance. When paired with a tune, you'll be in the 160 hp neighborhood for under a grand. Add a turbo and stage 2 cam and you can push into 200 hp territory. If you go much beyond that, you'll be looking at the need to spend big money on things like a block girdle, ASV pistons, forged rods, head studs, etc.

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#57 ·
Ok, I can either buy a 2001 alh with 200,000+ miles (automatic) with harness ecm and throttle minus starter and alternator for 850 or a 1999 Jetta with over 360,000 miles manual trans complete car for 500 running, driving. Both need oil pans replaced. Which one you guys think I should buy?


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#58 ·
The auto should have the 11mm pump head so that would be better for your power goals.
 
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The auto would be the better engine because of the injection pump. The flywheel and wiring from the manual car would make things a little easier. I talk about using a heavy flywheel because a flex plate for an automatic doesn't have enough inertia. Shifting from neutral to forward or reverse may cause the engine to stall, as it bogs down at idle to take the load from the driveline. A heavy standard transmission flywheel will help keep things moving because it takes more to slow that heavy rotating mass down. The 4x4 guys run spec flywheels at 40+ pounds in heavier vehicles like Rangers and Jeeps to prevent easy stalling.
 
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#64 ·
I always considered the heavy flyweel to be there to help absorb torque vibrations and allow smoother idle. In a boat you have an intermediate switch that kills the motor for a split second while switching gears.

Originally wired into a dizzy but ill wire it into my ip.

This is how mercury i/o are designed, im not sure about his velvet drive.

If you were around Atlanta ga i know of a ship yard full of old Chrysler velvets.
 
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#66 ·
Have you ran the boat at 10 kts before? I have a narrower boat, lighter and 21 ft on the water (26 ft over all not counting swim platfrom) and at 7 to 10 knots im pointing to the sky. My hull speed is around 7 mph...yours may be closer to 10 depending on your l.o.w. I'm thinking you have a planing hull but maybe you have a semi planing hull?

Either way something to consider. My boat at 8 or 9 knots mph is pushing major wake and not making any friends from smaller vessels.
 
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They are almost 2 hours from me, ive only been there once. I couldn't tell you where it is located in relation to lake Lanier, only that is is close. The county is on him to downsize, so right now parts may be cheaper than later. The firemarshall is on him pretty bad.

If you google lake Lanier marine liquidators youll see him.


On the carver yacht owners website a memeber named hardchines convetred his carver 26 to a diesel. Removed the 350 and dropped on a little isuzu from a reefer unit. Maybe 50 hp tops. He also added a near 800 lbs diesel marine generator.

Being its a low reving long stroke diesel he doesn't plane. He may hit a max of 12 mph. He just puts thousands of miles at a little over 6 mph. He had to add basically small fins to the bottom of his boat to make her ride straight. It helped but it also made her harder to turn. He has bow thrusters now to help turn when docking.

He added the kill switch due to hard shifting in his alpha 2. I've heard others say they didn't need it.

I plan on using my 350 marine flywheel for the weight as I've heard the bhw is rough at certian rpms after the bs delete.

But i will also be adding the kill switch just in case that heavy flyweel doesn't drop rpm fast enough. Usually switching between gears isn't needed quickly but when trying to load or unload on the trailer or docking, especially in wind or current or both, its required.
 
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#73 ·
What are you guys doing about gauges? Ive heard you can get an app to display your iat, oil pressure, water temp, and rpms on an android. Ive also read that it won't display egts which i consider equally important.

Do i run 2 egt gauges and 1 probe or do i need 2 probes? Can i wire them to a switch perhaps?

I have two helms so i hope to habe one water proof case for the bridge and a cheap one below.
 
#77 ·
Correct me if im wrong, but i think I've heard of sailboats doing the great loop?

I have a 26ft already. This boat is just for vacations and coastal beach trips. I also wanna explore jocasse. The sailboat is not something you set up for a day or even weekend
Sailboats can do some of the great loop. Air draft an hull draft becomes an issue with sailboats. There's a lot of overhead obstacles that require the mast to be unstepped and carried on deck. The max hull draft is currently 4 foot in sections of the GL. A lot of sailboats run that deep and up to 6 foot or deeper. I looked at a heavy built 40 x 12 sailboat and it had a 7.5 foot draft to offset all the sail it carried. It was an older wooden Herreshoff.
 
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#78 ·
Mine is a shoal draft with a Centerboard. A san juan 26.

It drafts less than 3 ft. The mast is a little over 30 in the air. It makes it a little tender but i don't ground often and can launch at most ramps. Not gonna raise or lower that mast easiky with one person unless you have good winches.
 
#79 ·
Mine is a shoal draft with a Centerboard. A san juan 26.

It drafts less than 3 ft. The mast is a little over 30 in the air. It makes it a little tender but i don't ground often and can launch at most ramps. Not gonna raise or lower that mast easiky with one person unless you have good winches.
Most of the people that I talk with on forums hire a boom truck to come out and lift the mast and lay on deck for them. It's sometimes cheaper than having a marina step the mast. I think the max air draft is around 15 feet in certain areas of the GL. It's due to some of the fixed brdges and no way to easily bypass them. I would have to look through my info and see if that's changed in the last few years.
 
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I have a trailer with an electric winch mounted to the front about bow level. I hang two poles from each front cleat by each side of the front hatch and they are tied together to hold them in an a frame shape. Maybe 8 ft long
The which cable goes to the a frsme and it stands straight up in the air. Then the jib halyard attaches to the opposite side of the a frame and is pulled tight and secured.

I hit the winch button and raise or lower the mast.

I never break a sweat but it requires my trailer.

Still takes a few hours from start to finish with rigging and hanging outboard, boom, sails and such.

So im pretty much stuck on my hartwell.

The carver will be both faster and easier to launch at different lakes
 
#81 ·
I have a trailer with an electric winch mounted to the front about bow level. I hang two poles from each front cleat by each side of the front hatch and they are tied together to hold them in an a frame shape. Maybe 8 ft long
The which cable goes to the a frsme and it stands straight up in the air. Then the jib halyard attaches to the opposite side of the a frame and is pulled tight and secured.

I hit the winch button and raise or lower the mast.

I never break a sweat but it requires my trailer.

Still takes a few hours from start to finish with rigging and hanging outboard, boom, sails and such.

So im pretty much stuck on my hartwell.

The carver will be both faster and easier to launch at different lakes
That's a pretty nice set up for getting the mast up. To bad there's no way to speed up the set up times.

Hartwell is a nice lake but I understand getting burnt out on visiting the same lakes all the time. I have two lakes near me, Cooley and Bowen, that I visted so much growing up that by my early 20's I quit boating and fishing.

The Carver will open up more area for a given period of time you have to go boating.

The reason I want to build the boat I have chosen is because it's trailerable and low draft for gunkholing. I may drag it down to Hartwell. I'm mostly building it for the Great Loop. For now, I am in the parts gathering stage. I plan to put saw to wood when my son leaves for the Air Force in 2021. I could start sooner depending on how life goes between now and then.
 
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#82 ·
You're more patient than i am. I was aiming to have the boat painted, interior restored and engine swap completed before we head to the keys in june. I dont think that is happening any more. Between the holidays and the cold im already a month behind.

I still have not pulled my motor from the passat nor the carver.

But im glad i do at least have both the motor and the boat!

That's better than what i started with
 
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#84 ·
It's finally almost 60 here today after nearly 2 weeks of it never getting north of 40...at times rarely above freezing. Hopefully it will last this weekend so i can start getting a passat engine removed.

Any recommendations? Do i need to drop the bottom cross beam or just unbolt the tranny and yank her out the top. While its cold and drark at 6pm i can at least get the engine harness out, slimmed down and ready for install.

Anyone got any wiring diagrams they can post so all of us doing these ecu controlled swaps can get our wiring harnesses started?
 
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#87 · (Edited)
Ill ask around on the tdi forum and post back what i found


I have the 04 (maybe 05) 2.0 passat....well 2 of them. I think i want to buy 2 or three more once these 2 are gone (1 sold and 1 parted) i want to put one in my 91 s10, i want to get a little montero or trooper to drop one in as well. My s10 is a 700r4, since there is no throttle i gotta see how a BHW would work with a kick down cable...attached to the throttle pedal maybe? Maybe just a 4l80e since i dont believe they use a tv cable. Plus one extra in case i decide to drop a 2nd I/O into my boat.
 
#88 ·
Ill ask around on the tdi forum and post back what i found


I have the 04 (maybe 05) 2.0 passat....well 2 of them. I think i want to buy 2 or three more once these 2 are gone (1 sold and 1 parted) i want to put one in my 91 s10, i want to get a little montero or trooper to drop one in as well. My s10 is a 700r4, since there is no throttle i gotta see how a BHW would work with a kick down cable...attached to the throttle pedal maybe? Maybe just a 4l80e since i dont believe they use a tv cable. Plus one extra in case i decide to drop a 2nd I/O into my boat.
Gasser autos don't shift well behind a TDI. The RPM and torque curves are off from my understanding. What originally came in the S10, 2.8L and 200R4?
 
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The 700r4 also came behind the 6.2 diesels. A proper stall converter can be purchased as well as being beefed up to handle more torque and power. As for shifting points i think they are somewhat adjustable but someone more knowledgeable than me would have to answer that. The 700r4 used to be a very popular tranny for the MB 617 guys so it can't be too bad. With an auto the harder you press the go pedal the longer she stays in gear.

You do have to have a tv cable tied to the throttle.

As for the 4l60e, it shifts via solenoids and not vaccuum so a stand alone computer could easily be dialed in. Again, i asked about this because i don't think it requires a tv cable (or maybe it does if you're running a stand alone ecu vs an ecu mated to the engine and tranny)

But either choice you'll need the proper stall converter.

The 4l80e also came behind both gas and diesel chevy engines, same with the TH400. I think there is an adjustments on the outside of the th400/350 that controls how quick or slow the shifts are located inside a little diagram assemly, this is memory from nearly 20 years ago but i do know people who swapped from gas to diesel complained if a matching torque converter was not also used. Then again some didn't seem to care or notice.

I think most of the complaints about tdi gearing and tranny choices come from the Vw guys. In rwd and 4wd vehicles you can change both tire size and gearing to achieve proper rpms. Something most audi and passat or jetta guys don't have options for most of the time.

The guy going from a 350 to a 4bt may ditch those 4:88s for some 4:11s on 35s to get his rpms down...that wont change for a BHW or ALH

I think the most important part is the correct stall converter.

Guys use both the 4l80e and nv4500 with sbc, bbc, 6bt and 4bt with no complaints other than when they break something!

I just like the overdrive better (and smaller size) of the 4l60e over that of the 4l80e. If i had a 3/4 or 1 ton...sure...but for a smaller s10 or jeep 4l60e all the way.