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I'd say putting the P7100 on a 4bd1t would be quite a challenge. I didn't say impossible because with enough money most anything can be done. First big hurdle would be the pump mount to the engine. Next hurdle is the lift pump. The A pump on the Isuzu has the lift pump mounted on the injection pump. The P7100 also had that option but as far as I know it was only on the marine 250 HP models. Oh, don't forget the P pump weighs about as much as 2 or 3 of the A pumps and requires a brace mounted on the block. Then you'd need custom injectors and probably custom injector lines. P pump injectors pop at 260 bar where the A pump is 245 bar. Like I said, with enough money you could do anything.
 
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I'd say putting the P7100 on a 4bd1t would be quite a challenge. I didn't say impossible because with enough money most anything can be done. First big hurdle would be the pump mount to the engine. Next hurdle is the lift pump. The A pump on the Isuzu has the lift pump mounted on the injection pump. The P7100 also had that option but as far as I know it was only on the marine 250 HP models. Oh, don't forget the P pump weighs about as much as 2 or 3 of the A pumps and requires a brace mounted on the block. Then you'd need custom injectors and probably custom injector lines. P pump injectors pop at 260 bar where the A pump is 245 bar. Like I said, with enough money you could do anything.
Being on the different side of the block is another big issue. I don't know if there were any better suited potential pump donors.
 
The lift pump wouldn't be an issue. You would just use a fast or airdog lift pump. I don't even use my lift pump on the injection pump as i deleted it and put a plate over the hole. I have a airdog mounted on the frame.
 
I'd say the P pump would be near impossible to do on that engine. The A pump can be modified to provide more fuel than you could probably ever use. Fair Valley Performance offers A pumps rated from 450cc to 900cc. That is a ton of fuel. They do P pumps from 900cc up to 1700cc which is mind boggling. Not sure how much HP that would translate to. Would sure need a ton of turbo boost to burn it.
 
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IIRC Randy (Carcrafter22) ran a modified A pump but they had to fit a different governor which was buklier and needed some shaving of the block.

He had many times stock fuel delivery and compounds with near triple digits of boost. Said it made his 500hp Duramax feel slow for the short time he was driving it.
 
The governor we normally see on Cummins engines with the A pump is exactly the same one found on the P pump. And no, it isn't small. All the A pumps have the RSV type governor where the P pumps had RQV. That didn't affect the size of the unit, just its operating procedure.
 
I assume it can be done but don't know of anyone who has gone to the trouble of doing it. Nothing really bad about the RSV system so long as you understand how it operates. If you're thinking along the lines of changing one might contact Area Diesel Service Inc. They are one of the best pump rebuilding companies in the country. Been in business since 1973. They could tell you exactly whether the governors are interchangeable.
 
Where did you get the pump mount? A 4 cylinder P7100 is quite rare. Cummins only used it on one model of road engine and a marine model. No industrial engines used it.
 
Yes rare as. I couldn’t find one, not for a price I was even remotely willing to pay. So the pump body is a 6cylinder cut and shut to 4cylinder. The wider spacing between no3 and no4 pump elements provided enough room to join the sections together. Pump is currently being built. China spec 4cylinder bodies are available online, in hindsight probably would have just used one of them. The 4cylinder camshaft I purchased. I’m going to run the EDC rear case on it instead of the mechanical governor due to space constraints. (Also as much as I hate ECU control, it will provide the flexibility and control I need for my setup) Mounting to the timing case I will machine up my own adaptor similarly to the A-pump . 500hp is the goal, it is currently at 300hp ATW with the zexel A-pump.
 
I'd say the P pump would be near impossible to do on that engine. The A pump can be modified to provide more fuel than you could probably ever use. Fair Valley Performance offers A pumps rated from 450cc to 900cc. That is a ton of fuel. They do P pumps from 900cc up to 1700cc which is mind boggling. Not sure how much HP that would translate to. Would sure need a ton of turbo boost to burn it.
Don’t know about that, miles more room on a 4BD1 than the 4JB1 I’m fitting one to. Lift pump is easy, the castings support a lift pump either side of the pump body, drill and bore the opposite side for pump and put a Welch plug in the original hole. Or just remove the lift pump completely and run an electric.
 
That is an awful lot of work to create a P pump. I'd think it would be a lot cheaper to modify an A pump. I can understand the difficulty in finding a used pump. In your country there probably were never any 4 cylinder road models but there could have been some of the 250 HP marine engines that used it.
 
That is an awful lot of work to create a P pump. I'd think it would be a lot cheaper to modify an A pump. I can understand the difficulty in finding a used pump. In your country there probably were never any 4 cylinder road models but there could have been some of the 250 HP marine engines that used it.
Wasn’t really that much work, doing the modification cost me nothing. Then it’s just a straightforward build at a local injection shop, with off the shelf components. The P-pump is also significantly more robust.
If I went the A-pump to that sort of spec I would have to get it built in the US, and cost me far more that this P-Pump build would.
 
Would you mind posting pictures? Did you have to get your injectors pop pressure reset?
The A-Pump was running +50 @ standard pop pressure. Have put +100s on since but it’s not been on a dyno or had any clean runs down the strip since (due to clutch issues) AFRs did show an increase in fueling with the bigger injectors.
 
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